Families need more help with tackling childhood obesity?!
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gruffalo said:
It also depends on the type of food eaten.
Most processed carbohydrates are quick to digest, the body can't use the energy released quickly enough so stores it as fat.
You also need to eat the right slow burn foods as well as calorie count or you won't get far down the weight loss path.
It's the wrong type of food.Most processed carbohydrates are quick to digest, the body can't use the energy released quickly enough so stores it as fat.
You also need to eat the right slow burn foods as well as calorie count or you won't get far down the weight loss path.
I'll add that garbage to the excuses list.
Thankyou4calling said:
rxe said:
Certainly in the last 50 years we've forgotten how to move. My boys were whining about going on a 20 km bike ride, and a pretty sedate one at that. Now I've done a bit of cycling in my time, and I know that 20K is nothing - over about 200K it gets interesting and you've got to be pretty fit to do 300K in one go. But what was interesting was their maternal grandmother, who thought nothing of riding 40 miles when she was a kid so that she could go to the beach with her mates. 40 miles there, swim for the day, 40 back. I'd wager that would put 95% of kids today in hospital.
There is no way kids (with a few exceptions) would be able to do that.My dad used to enjoy a six week summer holiday in Gloucestershire.
At age 10 he used to cycle to Tewkesbury from Twickenham (105 miles)
Single speed bike, all he needed for six weeks summer holiday in a back pack. He would stop half way for a jam sandwich and drink some orange squash then press on.
He was just a normal lad, nowadays I can't imagine the average child going more than 2 miles without wanting water and some crisps.
I know metabolism is a cop out for some people, but it's not total b
ks.
An aunt of mine was obese.
She was a nurse, ate sparingly (weight watchers meals), never had sugar in drinks, never ate junk food, walked a lot, and struggled with weight all her adult life.
So all this glib moralising is starting to piss me off, to be frank.
ks.An aunt of mine was obese.
She was a nurse, ate sparingly (weight watchers meals), never had sugar in drinks, never ate junk food, walked a lot, and struggled with weight all her adult life.
So all this glib moralising is starting to piss me off, to be frank.
768 said:
There's a lot of other reasons than being inactive which mean kids these days aren't able to cycle all day on their own, sadly.
And most of them are perceived by the parents, i remember growing up in the 70's and we had a couple of weirdos in our village, which these days no doubt would be paedos, didnt stop us going out. Most issues with children going out all day these days are caused by paedogeddon in the papers.Thankyou4calling said:
gruffalo said:
It also depends on the type of food eaten.
Most processed carbohydrates are quick to digest, the body can't use the energy released quickly enough so stores it as fat.
You also need to eat the right slow burn foods as well as calorie count or you won't get far down the weight loss path.
It's the wrong type of food.Most processed carbohydrates are quick to digest, the body can't use the energy released quickly enough so stores it as fat.
You also need to eat the right slow burn foods as well as calorie count or you won't get far down the weight loss path.
I'll add that garbage to the excuses list.
Sugar is a major cause of the population getting fatter and peoples stupidity not to understand what they are doing to themselves.
Cupramax said:
768 said:
There's a lot of other reasons than being inactive which mean kids these days aren't able to cycle all day on their own, sadly.
And most of them are perceived by the parents, i remember growing up in the 70's and we had a couple of weirdos in our village, which these days no doubt would be paedos, didnt stop us going out. Most issues with children going out all day these days are caused by paedogeddon in the papers.The paedo issue is undoubtedly overstated, but the desire for people to see other parents locked up if they leave their children somewhere a paedo could get them I don't think is.
gruffalo said:
I don't think a fact can be an excuse, if you eat sugary foods you will build fat, if you eat a balanced diet you are less likely to.
Sugar is a major cause of the population getting fatter and peoples stupidity not to understand what they are doing to themselves.
Not just to understand And I'm not just on about fatties here), but unable (without support) to fight their own genetic make-up. Creatures adapt, and there are triggers in the body when a type of food becomes available to gorge on it, this sort of food is now abundant, and is being pushed with the weight of everything Western culture can give it. People insisting it's down to willpower...well fSugar is a major cause of the population getting fatter and peoples stupidity not to understand what they are doing to themselves.
king hell, so is everything, but we have so many issues. Ignoring how humans act and have evolved to act is what's helping turn the nation obese. Halb said:
gruffalo said:
I don't think a fact can be an excuse, if you eat sugary foods you will build fat, if you eat a balanced diet you are less likely to.
Sugar is a major cause of the population getting fatter and peoples stupidity not to understand what they are doing to themselves.
Not just to understand And I'm not just on about fatties here), but unable (without support) to fight their own genetic make-up. Creatures adapt, and there are triggers in the body when a type of food becomes available to gorge on it, this sort of food is now abundant, and is being pushed with the weight of everything Western culture can give it. People insisting it's down to willpower...well fSugar is a major cause of the population getting fatter and peoples stupidity not to understand what they are doing to themselves.
king hell, so is everything, but we have so many issues. Ignoring how humans act and have evolved to act is what's helping turn the nation obese. Orange juice.....good for you?
Fruit smoothie........healthy?
Just two examples.
Both cause a sugar rush that the body cannot burn fast enough so it turns it to fat or says in the blood and leads to diabetes.
If you want the goodness of the fruit eat it but spread it out over the day so you can metabolise it properly absolutely never smash it to bits in a blender, that causes the cell structure of the fruit to breakdown allowing the sugars to be released and digested very quickly. Orange juice is one if not the best thing to give. To a diabetic suffering low blood sugar levels, the response is almost instant.
gruffalo said:
It is not people unable to fight their own craving for sugar though.
range juice.....good for you?
Fruit smoothie........healthy?
Just two examples.
Both cause a sugar rush that the body cannot burn fast enough so it turns it to fat or says in the blood and leads to diabetes.
If you want the goodness of the fruit eat it but spread it out over the day so you can metabolise it properly absolutely never smash it to bits in a blender, that causes the cell structure of the fruit to breakdown allowing the sugars to be released and digested very quickly. Orange juice is one if not the best thing to give. To a diabetic suffering low blood sugar levels, the response is almost instant.
A smoothie 'should' be healthier than a juice drink (but maybe not as healthy as solid fruit), since it'll have the cellulose still in it, unlike juice.range juice.....good for you?
Fruit smoothie........healthy?
Just two examples.
Both cause a sugar rush that the body cannot burn fast enough so it turns it to fat or says in the blood and leads to diabetes.
If you want the goodness of the fruit eat it but spread it out over the day so you can metabolise it properly absolutely never smash it to bits in a blender, that causes the cell structure of the fruit to breakdown allowing the sugars to be released and digested very quickly. Orange juice is one if not the best thing to give. To a diabetic suffering low blood sugar levels, the response is almost instant.
Blending causes changes in the cell structure, seems we don't quite know what happens, but like life, it's not an either/or position.
I eat fruit and I blend. I have a blend most days now, dark green, purple, fruit to taste and a 'binder' to ensure I get all that goodness, I throw nothing away... I also stick in some matcha and SOD as well...just in case.
I have one sitting on my desk right now, lovely green slime.
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Edited by Halb on Monday 22 August 10:58
I used to be skinny - 6'1" and 11 stone. I was sent to see a doctor and my mother told him what I ate - steam puddings, now they were nice - and he said that I'd have to live with it.
By the time I was 16 I'd put on about 2 stone but had grown another 2".
I used to cycle 200 miles a week off road, and my post Xmas weight the year my employer ran a 'get fit' campaign was less than the PTI. I earner my nickname of spindle.
On to 2004 and I'm on pills. My weight went up to 19 stone. I took the pills for four years and after a short time off went back for another 9 months.
I'm having a hell of a job to move the weight. I go to the gym three times a week, that's since having to give up cycling due to an injury. I do cardio, and really push it. I don't eat chocolate or sweets except the smallest bar of chocolate on occasion as I suffer from occasional - less than 3 times a month - low blood sugar.
I eat less now than I ever have, and normally quite good quality. I have a meal out once or twice a month but normally ask for smaller potions.
I weigh 17 stone and despite eating frugally I'm still 17 and half stone.
There's more to this weight loss thingy than meets the eye.
By the time I was 16 I'd put on about 2 stone but had grown another 2".
I used to cycle 200 miles a week off road, and my post Xmas weight the year my employer ran a 'get fit' campaign was less than the PTI. I earner my nickname of spindle.
On to 2004 and I'm on pills. My weight went up to 19 stone. I took the pills for four years and after a short time off went back for another 9 months.
I'm having a hell of a job to move the weight. I go to the gym three times a week, that's since having to give up cycling due to an injury. I do cardio, and really push it. I don't eat chocolate or sweets except the smallest bar of chocolate on occasion as I suffer from occasional - less than 3 times a month - low blood sugar.
I eat less now than I ever have, and normally quite good quality. I have a meal out once or twice a month but normally ask for smaller potions.
I weigh 17 stone and despite eating frugally I'm still 17 and half stone.
There's more to this weight loss thingy than meets the eye.
Not BMI, tax bodyfat %! 
Don't forget to dunk ya banana!
God that looks bloody terrible.
It makes me want to get a steak and I don't eat red meat
It's really lovely, today is; green beans, spinach, avocado, coconut water, matcha, cinnamon, frozen banananana, pineapple. I might experiment with adding whey.
SPS said:
Halb said:
God that looks bloody terrible.
It makes me want to get a steak and I don't eat red meat
Posting pictures of smoothies and commenting on the way the body breaks things down is all well and good.
ALL IT DOES IF GIVE ANOTHER EXCUSE FOR FAT PEOPLE.
I don't have the time/Knowledge/money to follow this. Of course you can say it only takes two minutes to mix it up and it does but these people are lazy and don't want to put in any effort, they expect the health service to sort out the consequences of their actions.
Of course there will be a very small percentage of people who have complicated conditions which affect their ability to lose weight.
But for the vast majority of fat people it really is so very simple (not simple to do as if it were they'd do it) but simple to know what to do;
Take in less : Put out more = Weight will go down.
Putting programmes together showing how certain calories are burnt or stored in different ways is only making it worse as it gives fat people something else to latch on to.
Remember, they are largely lazy and lack self discipline, that's why they're fat so to give them something which requires effort and self control actually just makes them fatter as they wear the excuse as a badge of honour.
Keep it simple, tell it how it is, weight will drop off and when it stops then you can look at the micro picture as an athlete would but for most (nearly all) no need.
ALL IT DOES IF GIVE ANOTHER EXCUSE FOR FAT PEOPLE.
I don't have the time/Knowledge/money to follow this. Of course you can say it only takes two minutes to mix it up and it does but these people are lazy and don't want to put in any effort, they expect the health service to sort out the consequences of their actions.
Of course there will be a very small percentage of people who have complicated conditions which affect their ability to lose weight.
But for the vast majority of fat people it really is so very simple (not simple to do as if it were they'd do it) but simple to know what to do;
Take in less : Put out more = Weight will go down.
Putting programmes together showing how certain calories are burnt or stored in different ways is only making it worse as it gives fat people something else to latch on to.
Remember, they are largely lazy and lack self discipline, that's why they're fat so to give them something which requires effort and self control actually just makes them fatter as they wear the excuse as a badge of honour.
Keep it simple, tell it how it is, weight will drop off and when it stops then you can look at the micro picture as an athlete would but for most (nearly all) no need.
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