Families need more help with tackling childhood obesity?!
Discussion
People today have no self-control or discipline or sense of personal responsibility for their actions - the very thought that the state can nanny people into good behaviour is only reinforcing that lack of personal acceptance.
It's not my fault my kid is fat, the government didn't ban Mars bars.
It's not my fault my kid is fat, the government didn't ban Mars bars.
KTF said:
Issi said:
diet.
Diet is another term I hate as it suggests a short term change.This is why the people who go to weight watchers, etc. lose weight whilst on the plan but put it back on again when they finish as they don't change (or don't realise) that they have to change their eating habits for good for it to be a long term thing.
walm said:
I am no Chris Froom but 80 miles in a day on a bike isn't for the faint-hearted.
People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
That's the point. 40 years ago that sort of distance on a bike didn't require training, preparation and a 4 grand bike. Its the sort of thing a bunch of kids did at the weekend because they were all as fit as a butcher's dog. These days people think the London to Brighton is some superhuman achievement that requires sponsorship.People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
40 miles at 15 mph (which is a really, really easy speed to maintain on the flat) - 3 hours. 3 hours there, 6 hours swimming, 4 hours back - probably burned through 6000 calories. Which of course is why they were skinny.
rxe said:
walm said:
I am no Chris Froom but 80 miles in a day on a bike isn't for the faint-hearted.
People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
That's the point. 40 years ago that sort of distance on a bike didn't require training, preparation and a 4 grand bike. Its the sort of thing a bunch of kids did at the weekend because they were all as fit as a butcher's dog. These days people think the London to Brighton is some superhuman achievement that requires sponsorship.People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
40 miles at 15 mph (which is a really, really easy speed to maintain on the flat) - 3 hours. 3 hours there, 6 hours swimming, 4 hours back - probably burned through 6000 calories. Which of course is why they were skinny.
But I still think you are massively exaggerating.
I just don't believe ANYONE "thinks nothing" of 7 hours in the saddle.
Although perhaps it is just my fat ass that would really struggle!!
witko999 said:
ATG said:
More will power? What the hell does that even mean? If I rustle round in the kitchen drawers, am I going to stumble across a box of will power tablets? What steps are you supposed to take to boost your will power? The simple effective solution is to just remove the temptation.
Inconvenience, expense and embarrassment are powerful tools when it comes to modifying behaviour. Appealing for stronger will power and better education just don't deliver change.
If I put a packet of biscuits next to you, and offered you a million pounds if you don't eat any of them, I suspect you'd find the willpower to resist.Inconvenience, expense and embarrassment are powerful tools when it comes to modifying behaviour. Appealing for stronger will power and better education just don't deliver change.
walm said:
rxe said:
walm said:
I am no Chris Froom but 80 miles in a day on a bike isn't for the faint-hearted.
People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
That's the point. 40 years ago that sort of distance on a bike didn't require training, preparation and a 4 grand bike. Its the sort of thing a bunch of kids did at the weekend because they were all as fit as a butcher's dog. These days people think the London to Brighton is some superhuman achievement that requires sponsorship.People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
40 miles at 15 mph (which is a really, really easy speed to maintain on the flat) - 3 hours. 3 hours there, 6 hours swimming, 4 hours back - probably burned through 6000 calories. Which of course is why they were skinny.
But I still think you are massively exaggerating.
I just don't believe ANYONE "thinks nothing" of 7 hours in the saddle.
Although perhaps it is just my fat ass that would really struggle!!
I'm in my 30s,but grew up in a non car owning household (even though my old man was a mechanic) in West London. Secondary school was 12 miles away, and I was a rower = 2.5 hours cycling, full day of school including PE twice a week and 3 hours of rowing training a day. Didn't think anything of it, and would regularly do a hundred mile ride over the Downs a couple of times a week during the holidays...
As well as activity levels being a factor, portion sizes are now hugely different to those of 10,20,30 years ago.
A normal dinner nowadays is equivalent to what would have been "Christmas dinner sized"
Offer someone "A biscuit" normally the packet is opened and it's gone.
All you can eat buffets, back in the day if you went for a Chinese meal you'd have one or two duck pancakes(love em) now..........blimey, you put half a duck on your plate, six pancakes and that is just a starter!
I remember the Shredded wheat advert daring people to eat more than two! Put two in a bowl now and see how it looks.
Portion sizes are massive now.
A normal dinner nowadays is equivalent to what would have been "Christmas dinner sized"
Offer someone "A biscuit" normally the packet is opened and it's gone.
All you can eat buffets, back in the day if you went for a Chinese meal you'd have one or two duck pancakes(love em) now..........blimey, you put half a duck on your plate, six pancakes and that is just a starter!
I remember the Shredded wheat advert daring people to eat more than two! Put two in a bowl now and see how it looks.
Portion sizes are massive now.
Digga said:
witko999 said:
ATG said:
More will power? What the hell does that even mean? If I rustle round in the kitchen drawers, am I going to stumble across a box of will power tablets? What steps are you supposed to take to boost your will power? The simple effective solution is to just remove the temptation.
Inconvenience, expense and embarrassment are powerful tools when it comes to modifying behaviour. Appealing for stronger will power and better education just don't deliver change.
If I put a packet of biscuits next to you, and offered you a million pounds if you don't eat any of them, I suspect you'd find the willpower to resist.Inconvenience, expense and embarrassment are powerful tools when it comes to modifying behaviour. Appealing for stronger will power and better education just don't deliver change.
I've never felt a visceral urge to blow my salary. That's not part of a human's physiological make up. In contrast, eating fat and sugar triggers some very deep-rooted mammalian responses. If you offer rats a pile of cheese cake, their response is remarkably similar to ours. They start sitting around, nibbling on it from time to time and become lazy and fat. You could give a rat a bank account and a salary, and I'm pretty confident its behaviour wouldn't change. You wouldn't see it getting itchy feet towards the end of the month. The difference between blowing your money and eating too many biscuits is not just a matter of perspective or an arbitrary attitude that people choose to adopt. The two are fundamentally different things.
Thankyou4calling said:
Portion sizes are massive now.
Putting aside the lack of activity and the calorific content of foods this is very much a problem in schools.So much so that my staff have a picture of how every meal should look on the plate. Every day the picture on the servery changes to show them exactly what proportion of the plate should be vegetables, meat etc
Now when they get a comment of "is that all they get" from someone they can at least say "yes" and blame me!
21TonyK said:
Putting aside the lack of activity and the calorific content of foods this is very much a problem in schools.
So much so that my staff have a picture of how every meal should look on the plate. Every day the picture on the servery changes to show them exactly what proportion of the plate should be vegetables, meat etc
Now when they get a comment of "is that all they get" from someone they can at least say "yes" and blame me!
That's interesting.So much so that my staff have a picture of how every meal should look on the plate. Every day the picture on the servery changes to show them exactly what proportion of the plate should be vegetables, meat etc
Now when they get a comment of "is that all they get" from someone they can at least say "yes" and blame me!
Do you serve cornflake tart with pink custard? Used to love that as a kid.
rxe said:
walm said:
I am no Chris Froom but 80 miles in a day on a bike isn't for the faint-hearted.
People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
That's the point. 40 years ago that sort of distance on a bike didn't require training, preparation and a 4 grand bike. Its the sort of thing a bunch of kids did at the weekend because they were all as fit as a butcher's dog. These days people think the London to Brighton is some superhuman achievement that requires sponsorship.People actually do "training" for the London-to-Brighton bike ride and that is only 58 miles.
40 miles at 15 mph (which is a really, really easy speed to maintain on the flat) - 3 hours. 3 hours there, 6 hours swimming, 4 hours back - probably burned through 6000 calories. Which of course is why they were skinny.
http://www.bike4cancer.org/london-to-brighton-bike...
^^ flat
Edited by superkartracer on Friday 19th August 18:36
JustinF said:
15 mph on the flat is a piece of piss, it's sit up chatting touring pace.
Theres no such thing as lots of variables and where are these flat roads for 15 miles? , 15 mph average is a good speed and i reckon about 170-200 watts ballpark , way over what an untrained person could ever manage .Edited by superkartracer on Friday 19th August 19:00
Thankyou4calling said:
21TonyK said:
Putting aside the lack of activity and the calorific content of foods this is very much a problem in schools.
So much so that my staff have a picture of how every meal should look on the plate. Every day the picture on the servery changes to show them exactly what proportion of the plate should be vegetables, meat etc
Now when they get a comment of "is that all they get" from someone they can at least say "yes" and blame me!
That's interesting.So much so that my staff have a picture of how every meal should look on the plate. Every day the picture on the servery changes to show them exactly what proportion of the plate should be vegetables, meat etc
Now when they get a comment of "is that all they get" from someone they can at least say "yes" and blame me!
Do you serve cornflake tart with pink custard? Used to love that as a kid.
Not a sign of pink custard.
Tuna steak, gremolata, fresh herb gnocchi, ratatouille (or salad if they prefer).
Having a 14 year old daughter who is, lets put it mildly "hefty", let me be blunt.
It's all down to spending too much time sitting on your arse connected to the Matrix each day through phone, tablet or laptop. She never goes out on dog walks with the dog we bought for her. Always has some excuse at the last minute.
Funny enough since getting the dog and doing 2 hours dog walk per day in the North Kent Downs I have gone from 14 stone 10 to 12 stone 12.
Who would have thought the equation of calories in against calories used would be the solution to not being fat !
And of course we should be more strict on what she does. She should do the dog walks, but of course then I lose out not enjoying them as she grumbles along. So I fail by feeling happy she is not on there but on the PC.
It's all down to spending too much time sitting on your arse connected to the Matrix each day through phone, tablet or laptop. She never goes out on dog walks with the dog we bought for her. Always has some excuse at the last minute.
Funny enough since getting the dog and doing 2 hours dog walk per day in the North Kent Downs I have gone from 14 stone 10 to 12 stone 12.
Who would have thought the equation of calories in against calories used would be the solution to not being fat !
And of course we should be more strict on what she does. She should do the dog walks, but of course then I lose out not enjoying them as she grumbles along. So I fail by feeling happy she is not on there but on the PC.
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