Families need more help with tackling childhood obesity?!

[21TonyK]

Burwood said:

are you serious-a school dinner/lunch? Wow, that's nice-10/10

Yeah that's a Friday (still fish day in schools). We still have proper fish and chips once a month bur other days its things like salmon fillet with parsley sauce or we do a healthier home made oven baked version of KFC which of course all the kids go mad for.

No reason why school meals cant be good and healthy, I work on a budget of £1.21 a meal including a dessert.

My version of KFC with fresh vegetable rice.

[JustinF]

superkartracer said:

JustinF said:

15 mph on the flat is a piece of piss, it's sit up chatting touring pace.

Theres no such thing as lots of variables and where are these flat roads for 15 miles? , 15 mph average is a good speed and i reckon about 170-200 watts ballpark , way over what an untrained person could ever manage .

Edited by superkartracer on Friday 19th August 19:00

flat as in +/- 2% and there's lots of that, and it's about 100w

[superkartracer]

JustinF said:

superkartracer said:

JustinF said:

15 mph on the flat is a piece of piss, it's sit up chatting touring pace.

Theres no such thing as lots of variables and where are these flat roads for 15 miles? , 15 mph average is a good speed and i reckon about 170-200 watts ballpark , way over what an untrained person could ever manage .

Edited by superkartracer on Friday 19th August 19:00

flat as in +/- 2% and there's lots of that, and it's about 100w

Wind?

100 watts from a lard on a heavy bike will get you 10-12 mph max , first hill the lard will stop and die .

200 watts on a 6kg race bike ( no aero ) from an athlete with around 8% body fat gets 18mph , 250 watts 20 mph , 350 watts 27 mph ( average rolling roads ) + 2-4mph with aero kit.

^^ me

[JustinF]

flat ride 95w, with my 14 year old, 15MPH

https://www.strava.com/activities/616507118

Rider weight not a factor on the flat once up to speed.

[Allanv]

Most Saturdays we walk over the Mendips, last week we took a wrong turn over the fields and ended up on a road but I know the area well and knew we could get back on track.

A car full of heffers stopped and told us to buy a car rather than walking around the countryside. My car at this point was 5 miles behind us or 2.5 in front as we or I pick a loop to do.

Apparently telling them to get out of the car and look for a salad is not the done thing to do.

[Magic919]

Rider weight might be a guide to frontal area, which is relevant on the flat.

[superkartracer]

JustinF said:

flat ride 95w, with my 14 year old, 15MPH

https://www.strava.com/activities/616507118

Rider weight not a factor on the flat once up to speed.

Evening Spin? with some Pb's

Top Achievements on this Ride

PR on ON THE RIVET Velo Club PALHOUSE COMMON SPRINT (54s)
PR on Palehouse Common (3:51)

yeah zero effect.

[superkartracer]

Magic919 said:

Rider weight might be a guide to frontal area, which is relevant on the flat.

It makes a massive difference.

[JustinF]

superkartracer said:

JustinF said:

flat ride 95w, with my 14 year old, 15MPH

https://www.strava.com/activities/616507118

Rider weight not a factor on the flat once up to speed.

Evening Spin? with some Pb's

Top Achievements on this Ride

PR on ON THE RIVET Velo Club PALHOUSE COMMON SPRINT (54s)
PR on Palehouse Common (3:51)

yeah zero effect.

sigh! pb's on a ride paced by my 14 year old, you know better as a rider than that, all depends how often you ride a road...

The point stands, 15mph on the flat is achievable by average joes and certainly by 14 year olds avoiding obesity

[superkartracer]

Just kidding , you are talking about a clearly fit dad towing his son , thats not a 20-30kg lard arse climbing onto a bike for the first time and i still reckon 100 watts would kill them.

Anyway , i'm putting out over 100 watts more to gain 3 mph on your rides , whats happening there then.

I quit racing and cycling and all sport a year ago as back finally stopped me , nearly 30 years training/racing ( 32 min 10k , 6.30 2k row etc etc ) i'm now the overweight lard but just starting XC running again to build core and have been knocking out 10k runs each night , so fitness still there ( but slow ) and i hope to get back into racing ( bike ) again..

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

superkartracer said:

Wind?

100 watts from a lard on a heavy bike will get you 10-12 mph max , first hill the lard will stop and die .

200 watts on a 6kg race bike ( no aero ) from an athlete with around 8% body fat gets 18mph , 250 watts 20 mph , 350 watts 27 mph ( average rolling roads ) + 2-4mph with aero kit.

^^ me

Doesn't sound right...my Sinclair C5 has a 250w motor and just about manages 15mph...

[Halb]

superkartracer said:

Afraid it is , new research is showing being a few pounds overweight can cause type 2 diabetes , it might be even less . They don't really know why either because.... it's hard ( like rocket science ) .
Professor tim Noakes was running 100 mile events , very lean and fit yet became T2 , he believes from carb loading and low fats , it was enough for him to bin 30 years of research and start again.

http://www.runnersworld.com/general-interest/tim-n...

Most interesting.
There was a link I posted in one of the keto threads in the health forum where a bloke ws able to stay in keto, even though he consumed huge amounts of sugars both simple/complex.

I follow a 50 odd year old powerlifter on fb who is single digit bf and is 'dry' most of the time, his conditioning and power is unreal. He has sorted his nutrition to the gram in his macros.

[J4CKO]

superkartracer said:

Just kidding , you are talking about a clearly fit dad towing his son , thats not a 20-30kg lard arse climbing onto a bike for the first time and i still reckon 100 watts would kill them.

Anyway , i'm putting out over 100 watts more to gain 3 mph on your rides , whats happening there then.

I quit racing and cycling and all sport a year ago as back finally stopped me , nearly 30 years training/racing ( 32 min 10k , 6.30 2k row etc etc ) i'm now the overweight lard but just starting XC running again to build core and have been knocking out 10k runs each night , so fitness still there ( but slow ) and i hope to get back into racing ( bike ) again..

I am a 17 plus stone lump carrying a bag full of stuff and ride the seven miles to work, easily manage 15 plus mph, personal best over the distance was 21.2, I gave up timing it as I was going to kill myself chasing numbers.

[AW111]

J4CKO said:

Er, yes it does, it makes a massive difference, all the crap is high carb, spikes blood sugar, gives a quick hit and then two hours later you are hungry for more, ding the bell, spike the bloody sugar trigger the insulin, repeat until that mechanism is fooked because you are insulin resistant.


Fat, was for a long time "the enemy", everything was low fat, but laden with sugar, very 1980s thinking.

Get more protein and a sensible amount of fats, and the carbs you do eat shouldnt be of the refined types.

Yep, it's the sugar spike then crash that causes most of the problem.

My wife is diabetic (type 1 and slim) and I have picked up a fair bit of information about the whole GI thing. Some carbs are easily absorbed, your body produces a spike of insulin in response, and you are hungry again in an hour or so.
Rinse and repeat.

It doesn't help that food like maccas has sugar in everything - the bun, the pickles, the sauces : even the (horrible) cheese is sweet.
I also gave up on subway for snacks because their bread is all too sweet for me.

It's a mad world - I like yoghurt and fruit, but most fruit yoghurt has more sugar than fruit! It's easy to find plain yoghurt without added sugar, but not fruit yoghurt

[Pan Pan Pan]

There is really only one person on Earth who controls what goes into the hole on the front of our faces, and that is each and every single one of us.
If people don't have the will power or self respect to do something about that, when they see, or realize what is happening to them. that really is their problem.
A horse can be lead to water, but it cannot be forced to drink.

[Halb]

AW111 said:

It's a mad world - I like yoghurt and fruit, but most fruit yoghurt has more sugar than fruit! It's easy to find plain yoghurt without added sugar, but not fruit yoghurt

I love Arla's new range.
Two types, yoghurt and quark, love 'em both. I buy the quark every week.

[Issi]

That's nice dear, thanks for sharing.

[pim]

Pan Pan Pan said:

There is really only one person on Earth who controls what goes into the hole on the front of our faces, and that is each and every single one of us.
If people don't have the will power or self respect to do something about that, when they see, or realize what is happening to them. that really is their problem.
A horse can be lead to water, but it cannot be forced to drink.

Tell that a child who's parents or parent haven't got a clue what to feed. their offspring.It starts when you are young and some people are far more prone to weight gain than others.The food industry has to carry plenty of blame it is all about the money.The horse statement is either here nor there.

[JustinF]

pim said:

Tell that a child who's parents or parent haven't got a clue what to feed. their offspring.It starts when you are young and some people are far more prone to weight gain than others.The food industry has to carry plenty of blame it is all about the money.The horse statement is either here nor there.

This boils my piss, ignorance by parents isn't something to blame on anyone but those parents. Heatlhy eating isn't hard information to come by, nor is it financially more challenging than chips and something in breadcrumbs.
As for being more prone to weight gain, utter utter bks; more prone to being feed st food by ignorant parents who choose to ignore the evidence and carry on regardless...

[pim]

Don't be so dismissive of metabolism.Some people can eat far more than others of the so called wrong foods and won't gain a ounce.

Unless you are a food expert keep your bks to yourself sunshine.