Job Selection Ciriteria

[vonuber]

PH XKR said:

Where will it end? It will end where white men can no longer get a job, especially white middle class men because lets face it working class jobs don't attract the sort of hiring mentality that applies political correctness - can you turn a spanner? Good, you're hired.

You can't seriously think this?

[768]

craigjm said:

Are you suffering more discrimination than others? Can you give the thread an example of when you were last discriminated against personally for being a white male?

I read an internal email thread in a public sector organisation a few years ago with a thread title along the lines of "I'm appalled by this". The content of it was a picture of their new recruits and the beef that sickened them so was that they were predominantly white males.

This is an organisation that effectively already does bias their recruitment against white males in the name of dealing with "unconscious bias". Unfortunately for the person who sent that email this organisation, due to the nature of the work and the region they're based in, more or less only has white male applicants.

If I were one of those young men starting out on my career I think I would have been quite upset. I suspect the pattern repeats across the public sector, but maybe it was a one off.

[craigjm]

768 said:

If I were one of those young men starting out on my career I think I would have been quite upset.

But you were not.

The point is that discrimination and disadvantage faced by anyone who is not a white male is far higher than most of us could probably imagine.

You are far more likely to be discriminated against in the workplace for other characteristics rather than being a white male. The most prominent is probably trying to book holiday during school holidays when you don't have children and the rest of the people in your team do for example.

I applied for a job once using my Liverpool address as my mailing address, didn't get an interview. Sent in exactly the same application the day after the rejection from my London address and got an interview. A friend of mine has a muslim sounding name and has applied for jobs using that name and with exactly the same details but changing his name to John. John gets an interview Imran doesn't.

Rarely is it down to being a white male that gets you eliminated.

[voyds9]

craigjm said:

Are you suffering more discrimination than others? Can you give the thread an example of when you were last discriminated against personally for being a white male?

Being plug ugly and fat I often suffer discrimination whilst chatting up the fairer sex.

[craigjm]

voyds9 said:

craigjm said:

Are you suffering more discrimination than others? Can you give the thread an example of when you were last discriminated against personally for being a white male?

Being plug ugly and fat I often suffer discrimination whilst chatting up the fairer sex.

Sounds like most of PH buy yourself a Ferrari to compensate that appears to be the solution in this place.

[PH XKR]

vonuber said:

You can't seriously think this?

are you suggesting that in working class trades they apply some sort of selection criteria beyond can they do the job?

[BJG1]

PH XKR said:

are you suggesting that in working class trades they apply some sort of selection criteria beyond can they do the job?

Pretty sure that's not what he was suggesting...

[PH XKR]

BJG1 said:

PH XKR said:

are you suggesting that in working class trades they apply some sort of selection criteria beyond can they do the job?

Pretty sure that's not what he was suggesting...

Oh you mean the white working man bit? Well hopefully Brexit will at least delay the inevitable

[Impasse]

Mid-twenties woman with no kids who has just recently got married? Awful to say, but they wouldn't be on the top of my selection pile.

[768]

craigjm said:

768 said:

If I were one of those young men starting out on my career I think I would have been quite upset.

But you were not.

That's ok then.

[craigjm]

768 said:

craigjm said:

768 said:

If I were one of those young men starting out on my career I think I would have been quite upset.

But you were not.

That's ok then.

No, my point is, you weren't there and it's something you have read about or been told about. In such situations, it is easy to try and apportion blame / create an issue from a story point of view. Unless you were there you don't know what was fact.

[PH XKR]

Impasse said:

Mid-twenties woman with no kids who has just recently got married? Awful to say, but they wouldn't be on the top of my selection pile.

This is a perfect example of where a good intention policy has been abused so much that it would put any right minded employer off hiring a woman at risk of getting pregnant

[jonah35]

Weird old world isnt it.discrimination exists every day but people just tick boxes to try to show it doesnt

[768]

craigjm said:

768 said:

craigjm said:

768 said:

If I were one of those young men starting out on my career I think I would have been quite upset.

But you were not.

That's ok then.

No, my point is, you weren't there and it's something you have read about or been told about. In such situations, it is easy to try and apportion blame / create an issue from a story point of view. Unless you were there you don't know what was fact.

Where wasn't I? The email making the comments went to me.

[Impasse]

PH XKR said:

Impasse said:

Mid-twenties woman with no kids who has just recently got married? Awful to say, but they wouldn't be on the top of my selection pile.

This is a perfect example of where a good intention policy has been abused so much that it would put any right minded employer off hiring a woman at risk of getting pregnant

Which is a great shame really. So many potential employees disregarded due to their sex. I've no idea what the solution is but surely other countries manage to encourage both parenthood and a career with reasonable success?

[BJG1]

Impasse said:

Which is a great shame really. So many potential employees disregarded due to their sex. I've no idea what the solution is but surely other countries manage to encourage both parenthood and a career with reasonable success?

I think we would benefit hugely from men being as likely to stay at home as women or sharing the maternity leave more. Then you remove the discrimination and keep the maternity rights.

[PH XKR]

Impasse said:

PH XKR said:

Impasse said:

Mid-twenties woman with no kids who has just recently got married? Awful to say, but they wouldn't be on the top of my selection pile.

This is a perfect example of where a good intention policy has been abused so much that it would put any right minded employer off hiring a woman at risk of getting pregnant

Which is a great shame really. So many potential employees disregarded due to their sex. I've no idea what the solution is but surely other countries manage to encourage both parenthood and a career with reasonable success?

simple solution, for the first child you have during employment there can be no discrimination and your position is kept secure. A 2nd one though and its the discretion of the company as to keep your position open or not.

Whilst at a large multinational consultancy I saw one girl work probably 4 months in a 3 and a half year period, in the mean time she had 2 kids and took a very attractive set of pay benefits. Soon upon returning after her 2nd she announced a 3rd was on the way

[Esseesse]

BJG1 said:

Impasse said:

Which is a great shame really. So many potential employees disregarded due to their sex. I've no idea what the solution is but surely other countries manage to encourage both parenthood and a career with reasonable success?

I think we would benefit hugely from men being as likely to stay at home as women or sharing the maternity leave more. Then you remove the discrimination and keep the maternity rights.

How are you going to make men as likely to stay at home?

[BJG1]

Esseesse said:

How are you going to make men as likely to stay at home?

I think it'll take a long time, but we need to change society's attitude to work and bringing up children. For some reason at the moment working is seen as more valuable by most and we still have this idea of 'being a man' meaning being the breadwinner/provider and it somehow being unmanly to stay at home with the kids.

For most people raising a child is by far the most valuable thing you'll do with your life and we should start thinking about it like that more.

[steveatesh]

BJG1 said:

I think it'll take a long time, but we need to change society's attitude to work and bringing up children. For some reason at the moment working is seen as more valuable by most and we still have this idea of 'being a man' meaning being the breadwinner/provider and it somehow being unmanly to stay at home with the kids.

For most people raising a child is by far the most valuable thing you'll do with your life and we should start thinking about it like that more.

Sharing maternity leave and enabling women to return to work was recently discussed in the media as it the legislation WA a introduced under the coalition government.

The take up figures were extremely small, around 4% IIRC, not because men were reluctant but because women did not want to do it. They did not want to share the experience of the new baby with their husbands / partners.

Secondary was what you said - men simply didn't want to do it because of socialisation.

I totally shared parenting our sons whilst my wife returned to work and I have to say I've never understood why women make such a big deal of it being difficult. I had more time to myself then and was less stressed than I ever was at work. But then of course they benefit from such misinformation so they can keep it to themselves