Job Selection Ciriteria

[Esseesse]

BJG1 said:

Esseesse said:

How are you going to make men as likely to stay at home?

I think it'll take a long time, but we need to change society's attitude to work and bringing up children. For some reason at the moment working is seen as more valuable by most and we still have this idea of 'being a man' meaning being the breadwinner/provider and it somehow being unmanly to stay at home with the kids.

For most people raising a child is by far the most valuable thing you'll do with your life and we should start thinking about it like that more.

I agree with you that raising children is possibly the most important job, and in recent times it has been incorrectly seen as not as valuable as working.

However what if women are naturally more suited to raising children? If this is the case than it's unlikely that men will ever stay at home with the children as often as women.

[Randy Winkman]

jonah35 said:

Weird old world isnt it.discrimination exists every day but people just tick boxes to try to show it doesnt

Sort of - I'd say it's to show they are trying to do something about it. Which is clearly a bit different from actually doing something about it.

[steveatesh]

PH XKR said:

BJG1 said:

PH XKR said:

Where will it end? It will end where white men can no longer get a job, especially white middle class men because lets face it working class jobs don't attract the sort of hiring mentality that applies political correctness - can you turn a spanner? Good, you're hired.

I wouldn't worry. Being a white, middle class male is still comfortably the ethnicity/class/gender mix that yields the greatest advantage in society. We may suffer some unfairness but it's lesser than others.

For the time being...

This is an interesting line of thought when discussing equality and discrimination, plus disadvantage.

I listened to such a discussion (on the gender pay gap) on Radio 4 a few month back, I believe it was Women's Hour, and one of the participants argued that in around forty years time the pendulum will have swung over to the other side so much that there will need to be an equality minister for men (the forty years was an arbitrary figure).

Whether she was right or wrong about that there is a lot more to discrimination than in the work place.

Although disadvantage was not the prime subject of this thread men and boys are disadvantaged in around 23 areas of policy according to Justice4Men, one of the main employment linked ones being education. Hence Mrs May felt the need to comment recently that the most disadvantaged group are poor white boys as far as further education goes.

And discrimination against boys is reported in primary schools where research has been done on marking and attitude of (female) teachers. In their formative years this is not a Good Thing.

It's an interesting subject with many strands, not just employment.

[voyds9]

BJG1 said:

I think it'll take a long time, but we need to change society's attitude to work and bringing up children. For some reason at the moment working is seen as more valuable by most and we still have this idea of 'being a man' meaning being the breadwinner/provider and it somehow being unmanly to stay at home with the kids.

For most people raising a child is by far the most valuable thing you'll do with your life and we should start thinking about it like that more.

I think it will take men wanting kids as much as women and then wanting to stay at home with them.

And women who are willing to see 40 hrs as a normal week

http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/pe...

Part-time workers – both men and women – earn less, on average, per hour than their full-time counterparts. A much higher proportion of women work part-time, 41%, compared with men, at 11% (source: Labour Force Survey, Quarter 2 (April to June) 2015). This means that the gap for all employees, full-time and part-time together, is higher than for full-time employees alone.

Very few couples would let the main brad winner leave tp look after the kids.