EU army - Farage yet again seems to be right
Discussion
Greg66 said:
I just googled Brexit is good. 21 million results. Thank goodness we voted to leave!
Then I googled Brexit is bad. 40.6 million results! We're doomed, because by the power of don4l's logic [sic] google says we are!
I love Brexit gets 22.1m hits.Then I googled Brexit is bad. 40.6 million results! We're doomed, because by the power of don4l's logic [sic] google says we are!
I hate Brexit gets 14.7m hits.
Jockman said:
Greg66 said:
I just googled Brexit is good. 21 million results. Thank goodness we voted to leave!
Then I googled Brexit is bad. 40.6 million results! We're doomed, because by the power of don4l's logic [sic] google says we are!
I love Brexit gets 22.1m hits.Then I googled Brexit is bad. 40.6 million results! We're doomed, because by the power of don4l's logic [sic] google says we are!
I hate Brexit gets 14.7m hits.
My search terms were objective statements of fact.
Or, if you prefer, FACT. FACT always trumps fact. And both are better than emotions.
ATG said:
alfie2244 said:
Weak or not you are both naive IMO. Are you saying we would have been the only member not in the EU army whilst the other 27 were in it?..........but irrelevant now as we are leaving anyway.
I assume you know where this plaque is fitted.
So you're still just rambling incoherently.I assume you know where this plaque is fitted.
If you can't address ralphr's point, why are you responding to it?
None of us will ever know but it would appear naive to believe that the latest statements by Juncker have only been made possible because of the referendum, which is the implication of ralphr's post.
Greg66 said:
Jockman said:
Greg66 said:
I just googled Brexit is good. 21 million results. Thank goodness we voted to leave!
Then I googled Brexit is bad. 40.6 million results! We're doomed, because by the power of don4l's logic [sic] google says we are!
I love Brexit gets 22.1m hits.Then I googled Brexit is bad. 40.6 million results! We're doomed, because by the power of don4l's logic [sic] google says we are!
I hate Brexit gets 14.7m hits.
My search terms were objective statements of fact.
Or, if you prefer, FACT. FACT always trumps fact. And both are better than emotions.
I know you're pulling my leg !!
ATG said:
Naive? The onus on you is to describe how we could have been dragged in. Ralphr has explained clearly why we couldn't.
If you can't explain why he is wrong then you are demonstrating that your opinion is not considered; you haven't sat down and thought it through, you've just jumped to a conclusion. Calling him naive is an incredibly weak response.
The reason that we will not be part of a pan European military is quite simple.If you can't explain why he is wrong then you are demonstrating that your opinion is not considered; you haven't sat down and thought it through, you've just jumped to a conclusion. Calling him naive is an incredibly weak response.
We are leaving the EU.
Juncker:
"There are splits out there and often fragmentation exists where we need further effort from the union. And that is leaving scope for galloping populism and we cannot accept that because populism does not solve problems. On the contrary, populism creates problems"
Populism:
"Populism is a belief in the power of regular people, and in their right to have control over their government rather than a small group of political insiders or a wealthy elite. The word populism comes from the Latin word for "people," populous"
I guess we always knew that was his and the EU's view but now he's said it.
I say we create as many problems for him as we can.
"There are splits out there and often fragmentation exists where we need further effort from the union. And that is leaving scope for galloping populism and we cannot accept that because populism does not solve problems. On the contrary, populism creates problems"
Populism:
"Populism is a belief in the power of regular people, and in their right to have control over their government rather than a small group of political insiders or a wealthy elite. The word populism comes from the Latin word for "people," populous"
I guess we always knew that was his and the EU's view but now he's said it.
I say we create as many problems for him as we can.
REALIST123 said:
ATG said:
alfie2244 said:
Weak or not you are both naive IMO. Are you saying we would have been the only member not in the EU army whilst the other 27 were in it?..........but irrelevant now as we are leaving anyway.
I assume you know where this plaque is fitted.
So you're still just rambling incoherently.I assume you know where this plaque is fitted.
If you can't address ralphr's point, why are you responding to it?
None of us will ever know but it would appear naive to believe that the latest statements by Juncker have only been made possible because of the referendum, which is the implication of ralphr's post.
ATG said:
Can you describe a constitutional process that would allow the EU to create an army without the unanimous approval of all members? This really is pretty simple question. Straight answer or no answer ... ?
to quote Junker..."The Lisbon Treaty enables those Member States who wish, to pool their defence capabilities in the form
of a permanent structured cooperation. I think the time to make use of this possibility is now."
The opening words of his speech reiterated the opening words of the Treaty of Rome.
Jean Claude Junker said:
Mr President,
Honourable Members of the European Parliament,
I stood here a year ago and I told you that the State of our Union was not good. I told you that there is not enough Europe in this Union. And that there is not enough Union in this Union.
Honourable Members of the European Parliament,
I stood here a year ago and I told you that the State of our Union was not good. I told you that there is not enough Europe in this Union. And that there is not enough Union in this Union.
The very first sentence of the Treaty of Rome said:
HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF THE BELGIANS,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC,
HER ROYAL HIGHNESS THE GRAND DUCHESS OF LUXEMBOURG,
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS,
DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of
Europe
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC,
HER ROYAL HIGHNESS THE GRAND DUCHESS OF LUXEMBOURG,
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS,
DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of
Europe
ATG said:
Can you describe a constitutional process that would allow the EU to create an army without the unanimous approval of all members? This really is pretty simple question. Straight answer or no answer ... ?
So if one member, Greece for example, said no to an EU army then that would be the end of that then? You are more naive than I 1st thought if you do.Mrr T said:
ATG said:
Can you describe a constitutional process that would allow the EU to create an army without the unanimous approval of all members? This really is pretty simple question. Straight answer or no answer ... ?
Do not ask leave team for answers it confuses them.ATG said:
Can you describe a constitutional process that would allow the EU to create an army without the unanimous approval of all members? This really is pretty simple question. Straight answer or no answer ... ?
Can you really, genuinely, not think of any way that the EU could make this happen, if they wanted to? It might take a while and need a few more treaties, but that's never stopped them in the past.Not only are you naive, you lack imagination.
don4l said:
The reason that we will not be part of a pan European military is quite simple.
We are leaving the EU.
Except we are part of a pan European military, and exiting the EU isn't likely to change that. We're partnered with the French in the CJEF, along with various agreements about carriers, nuclear stockpiles, training, etc. ARRC is British led and its main mission is "Petersberg" tasks which are wholly about supporting the EU, and with the majority of NATO members being European I doubt that will change. We are leaving the EU.
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