EU army - Farage yet again seems to be right
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Mrr T said:
<snip> I know team leave will now argue that this will happen next week anybody who actually knows anything about the EU knows they are now further away from integration than they where at the time of the Lisbon treaty.
For once I agree with you.The good ship "EU" is heading for the iceberg, and the captain han not ordered a change of course. He has, instead, ordered "more power".
However, the people of Europe are waking up to the fact that the EU is a complete train wreck. We have referenda coming up in various EU countries, and a re-run of the presidental election in Austria.
I believe that you know a lot more about finance than I do.
How do you feel that the next Greek bailout talks will go?
gooner1 said:
jjlynn27 said:
PH XKR with all of his experience knows that UK, intel-wise, will be no better or worse off out of the EU.
Dearlove, the head of MI6 at the time of infamous Iraqi dosier, thinks that UK will be better off (wrong on ECHR but that's for another thread).
On the other hand, Nigel Inkster, David Omand, Lady Manningham-Buller, John Sawers and John Scarlett all think that UK will be worse off. But, we don't need experts, do we. What do they know after all.
Like all the experts that predicted a Remain result you mean? ??????Dearlove, the head of MI6 at the time of infamous Iraqi dosier, thinks that UK will be better off (wrong on ECHR but that's for another thread).
On the other hand, Nigel Inkster, David Omand, Lady Manningham-Buller, John Sawers and John Scarlett all think that UK will be worse off. But, we don't need experts, do we. What do they know after all.
Have another one
. pim said:
Wishful thinking don.
Why because we left or are leaving should the rest of Europe fall apart?
The E.U existed before the UK joined.
A small little € thing has changed everything.Why because we left or are leaving should the rest of Europe fall apart?
The E.U existed before the UK joined.
It cannot be said enough times (not least because it also partially accounts for Brexit).
The EU as it currently is formed is broken. It is deceased. Pushing up the daisies. Joined the choir invisible.
The inherent economic problems, and the bleed through to border security and Freedom of Movement, means that sooner or later (and probably sooner if the thunderclouds gathering around Italy are anything to go by) Germany will have to accede to complete Union, complete with a common border, full fiscal Union and probably everything laid out by the Spinelli Groups Putative Frankfurt protocol. Thus the ludicrous sight of Flanby, Mutti and the other guy who is largely praying for a miracle, laying flowers at Ventotene.
No, the EU won't fall apart because the UK will leave. We left because the EU is already falling apart. It may survive. It certainly won't look anything like it currently does.
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 23 August 23:05
Ridgemont said:
A small little € thing has changed everything.
It cannot be said enough times (not least because it also partially accounts for Brexit).
The EU as it currently is formed is broken. It is deceased. Pushing up the daisies. Joined the choir invisible.
The inherent economic problems, and the bleed through to border security and Freedom of Movement, means that sooner or later (and probably sooner if the thunderclouds gathering around Italy are anything to go by) Germany will have to accede to complete Union, complete with a common border, full fiscal Union and probably everything laid out by the Spinelli Groups Putative Frankfurt protocol. Thus the ludicrous sight of Flanby, Mutti and the other guy who is largely praying for a miracle, laying flowers at Ventotene.
No, the EU won't fall apart because the UK will leave. We left because the EU is already falling apart. It may survive. It certainly won't look anything like it currently does.
Out of interest what has the uk got that the EU hasn't ?It cannot be said enough times (not least because it also partially accounts for Brexit).
The EU as it currently is formed is broken. It is deceased. Pushing up the daisies. Joined the choir invisible.
The inherent economic problems, and the bleed through to border security and Freedom of Movement, means that sooner or later (and probably sooner if the thunderclouds gathering around Italy are anything to go by) Germany will have to accede to complete Union, complete with a common border, full fiscal Union and probably everything laid out by the Spinelli Groups Putative Frankfurt protocol. Thus the ludicrous sight of Flanby, Mutti and the other guy who is largely praying for a miracle, laying flowers at Ventotene.
No, the EU won't fall apart because the UK will leave. We left because the EU is already falling apart. It may survive. It certainly won't look anything like it currently does.
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 23 August 23:05
Ghibli said:
Ridgemont said:
Ghibli said:
Out of interest what has the uk got that the EU hasn't ?
A free floating exchange rate. Marvellous thing really.s2art said:
Ghibli said:
Ridgemont said:
Ghibli said:
Out of interest what has the uk got that the EU hasn't ?
A free floating exchange rate. Marvellous thing really.Ghibli said:
s2art said:
Ghibli said:
Ridgemont said:
Ghibli said:
Out of interest what has the uk got that the EU hasn't ?
A free floating exchange rate. Marvellous thing really.s2art said:
Ghibli said:
Ridgemont said:
Ghibli said:
Out of interest what has the uk got that the EU hasn't ?
A free floating exchange rate. Marvellous thing really.b2hbm said:
cookie118 said:
And was it said by anyone with real power? By anyone at the summit? No.
And does it sound like the UK had a veto on it which leavers constantly said we didn't? Yes
It appears that it's yet another instance of the leavers lies unraveling.
As regards a UK Veto, surely that only comes into force when something comes up for a vote ? Saying "I don't agree" during a meeting doesn't constitute a veto, it expresses an opinion.And does it sound like the UK had a veto on it which leavers constantly said we didn't? Yes
It appears that it's yet another instance of the leavers lies unraveling.
My understanding is that in all the discussions regarding a common EU defence force, information sharing, etc, the UK has said they didn't want to participate. There was no suggestion of the UK preventing the other EU states from joining together to share data, collect guns or whatever. It appears to me they didn't want to do that unless the Uk would pitch in with our intelligence services and forces.
And as we didn't want to join that club they wouldn't start it up on their own, presumably because they wanted a UK contribution of either forces or financing. But after the Brexit vote they have no reason not to move forwards and I doubt anyone in the UK or USA has a problem with that.
Farage is a rabble rouser. He has not put forward a constructive policy in his political career. All Farage does is offer scapegoats. Blame Westminster, blame Brussels, blame immigrants, blah, blah, blah, photo op with a pint. How can anyone with any integrity allow themselves to fall for that crap?
ATG said:
Correct except for the intelligence sharing which already exists and in which we'll want to continue to participate.
Farage is a rabble rouser. He has not put forward a constructive policy in his political career. All Farage does is offer scapegoats. Blame Westminster, blame Brussels, blame immigrants, blah, blah, blah, photo op with a pint. How can anyone with any integrity allow themselves to fall for that crap?
Well, I didnt fall for all or even most of that crap. But I did work for the European commission for approx 8 years. I wanted out.Farage is a rabble rouser. He has not put forward a constructive policy in his political career. All Farage does is offer scapegoats. Blame Westminster, blame Brussels, blame immigrants, blah, blah, blah, photo op with a pint. How can anyone with any integrity allow themselves to fall for that crap?
s2art said:
Well, I didnt fall for all or even most of that crap. But I did work for the European commission for approx 8 years. I wanted out.
Not many words there, but fairly powerful ones. Farage played a good game. He had been campaigning on this single issue for decades, so he knew exactly what buttons needed to be pressed to get the maximum vote out in various regions around the country. Added to that, this was the end game for him; no need to think about angling for a position of power afterwards, unless you count getting a stool next to the bar as a position of power.
jjlynn27 said:
gooner1 said:
jjlynn27 said:
PH XKR with all of his experience knows that UK, intel-wise, will be no better or worse off out of the EU.
Dearlove, the head of MI6 at the time of infamous Iraqi dosier, thinks that UK will be better off (wrong on ECHR but that's for another thread).
On the other hand, Nigel Inkster, David Omand, Lady Manningham-Buller, John Sawers and John Scarlett all think that UK will be worse off. But, we don't need experts, do we. What do they know after all.
Like all the experts that predicted a Remain result you mean? ??????Dearlove, the head of MI6 at the time of infamous Iraqi dosier, thinks that UK will be better off (wrong on ECHR but that's for another thread).
On the other hand, Nigel Inkster, David Omand, Lady Manningham-Buller, John Sawers and John Scarlett all think that UK will be worse off. But, we don't need experts, do we. What do they know after all.
Have another one
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