13yr old killed in F50

[Digga]

youngsyr said:

Is everyone deliberately avoiding the elephant in the room, or has it already been discussed: does the driver own the car in the crash, or was it a customers?

Already been discussed a few pages back.

[Jockman]

youngsyr said:

Is everyone deliberately avoiding the elephant in the room, or has it already been discussed: does the driver own the car in the crash, or was it a customers?

Is that >really< the elephant in the room?

[youngsyr]

Vaud said:

youngsyr said:

Is everyone deliberately avoiding the elephant in the room, or has it already been discussed: does the driver own the car in the crash, or was it a customers?

Isn't it a bit irrelevant?

In the grand scheme of things, yes, but the thought crossed my mind and it's no less relevant than the type of car, which seems to get top billing in all the press articles.

[youngsyr]

Digga said:

youngsyr said:

Is everyone deliberately avoiding the elephant in the room, or has it already been discussed: does the driver own the car in the crash, or was it a customers?

Already been discussed a few pages back.

In the posts that have been edited after being picked up by the press? I couldn't find any reference to it - just someone else asking the question?

[youngsyr]

Jockman said:

youngsyr said:

Is everyone deliberately avoiding the elephant in the room, or has it already been discussed: does the driver own the car in the crash, or was it a customers?

Is that >really< the elephant in the room?

Well, everything else about it seems to have been discussed, including some wild speculation about the state of the car's tyres and a blow by blow account of how the crash might have happened.

[Jockman]

youngsyr said:

Well, everything else about it seems to have been discussed, including some wild speculation about the state of the car's tyres and a blow by blow account of how the crash might have happened.

True, but I'm not sure they were ever 'elephants'.

[SilverSpur]

youngsyr said:

Well, everything else about it seems to have been discussed, including some wild speculation about the state of the car's tyres and a blow by blow account of how the crash might have happened.

Wild speculation? Why are you on a car forum looking at this type of thread if you have a problem with people speculating as to why this happened and what might have contributed...? Seriously, why, what else do you expect?


Reasonable questions have been asked and discussed. Nothing particularly wild about it. Most if not all of what has been said is also perfectly valid to question.

[youngsyr]

SilverSpur said:

youngsyr said:

Well, everything else about it seems to have been discussed, including some wild speculation about the state of the car's tyres and a blow by blow account of how the crash might have happened.

Wild speculation? Why are you on a car forum looking at this type of thread if you have a problem with people speculating as to why this happened and what might have contributed...? Seriously, why, what else do you expect?


Reasonable questions have been asked and discussed. Nothing particularly wild about it. Most if not all of what has been said is also perfectly valid to question.

I read the thread to find more factual information about the topic beyond the very limited amount reported in the press article; Pistonheads often provides local knowledge of the places, individuals and businesses involved (and it has in this thread) in motoring stories.

However, I would call posts voicing concerns about whether the car had been in storage for a long period prior, resulting in hard tyres, which caused the crash wild speculation. There isn't one iota of fact to support it. Ditto the post detailing how the car might have somersaulted over the fence and then come to rest on them.

Here are the particular posts I'm referring to, they're not questioning, they're speculating - wildly:

SilverSpur said:

Looking at the photos of the posts that have been knocked out of the ground on the grass verge, I'm going to surmise that the car would probably have somersaulted after hitting those first, possibly landing into the fencing upside down , and must have been travelling at high speed to take out the post seen lying in the ground.

It's mostly a carbon fibre car yes? Glorified plastic, incredibly strong in some circumstances/design criteria and surprisingly weak in other ways that it's not supposed to be strong in

Soov535 said:

ALawson said:

SilverSpur said:

it could have been sat in storage for months and months on tyres that were hardening and out of condition.

That was one of my first thoughts, absolutely terrible for all those involved.

Never driven anything as exotic as a F50 but having been out in a few PH'ers cars can imagine how quickly things can change. Hope the driver makes a full recovery, will be difficult for him. But his family and friends must also be devastated.

RIP.

I wondered about this.

The accident happened one minute into the ride. Cold tyres/dusty concrete road/too much throttle = tankslapper?

[Dr Interceptor]

Wild speculation is a natural occurrence after any event / tragedy.

If there's a plane crash, there will be speculation about terrorism, pilot error etc etc etc. No different where there's a nasty car prang. It's human nature to be inquisitive.

[youngsyr]

Dr Interceptor said:

Wild speculation is a natural occurrence after any event / tragedy.

If there's a plane crash, there will be speculation about terrorism, pilot error etc etc etc. No different where there's a nasty car prang. It's human nature to be inquisitive.

There's a vast difference between being inquisitive and publishing wild speculation for all to see, IMO.

[slybynight]

AH33 said:

Fook!

I've never seen that. Looked it up and it is indeed sobering.

For anyone who might have missed it (it's from 2007) it starts on page 3.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Thanks Soov - quoted this instead because of the link. That's one of the most valuable threads I have ever read. I hope its still around when my lads start driving. What happened to 10PS!? What happened to Hooray Henry!?

[Soov535]

slybynight said:

AH33 said:

Fook!

I've never seen that. Looked it up and it is indeed sobering.

For anyone who might have missed it (it's from 2007) it starts on page 3.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Thanks Soov - quoted this instead because of the link. That's one of the most valuable threads I have ever read. I hope its still around when my lads start driving. What happened to 10PS!? What happened to Hooray Henry!?

It's also the best thread I ever read. My driving was moderated immediately and I will always be grateful to 10p.

I think he still lurks.

[SilverSpur]

youngsyr said:

SilverSpur said:

youngsyr said:

Well, everything else about it seems to have been discussed, including some wild speculation about the state of the car's tyres and a blow by blow account of how the crash might have happened.

Wild speculation? Why are you on a car forum looking at this type of thread if you have a problem with people speculating as to why this happened and what might have contributed...? Seriously, why, what else do you expect?


Reasonable questions have been asked and discussed. Nothing particularly wild about it. Most if not all of what has been said is also perfectly valid to question.

I read the thread to find more factual information about the topic beyond the very limited amount reported in the press article; Pistonheads often provides local knowledge of the places, individuals and businesses involved (and it has in this thread) in motoring stories.

However, I would call posts voicing concerns about whether the car had been in storage for a long period prior, resulting in hard tyres, which caused the crash wild speculation. There isn't one iota of fact to support it. Ditto the post detailing how the car might have somersaulted over the fence and then come to rest on them.

Here are the particular posts I'm referring to, they're not questioning, they're speculating - wildly:

SilverSpur said:

Looking at the photos of the posts that have been knocked out of the ground on the grass verge, I'm going to surmise that the car would probably have somersaulted after hitting those first, possibly landing into the fencing upside down , and must have been travelling at high speed to take out the post seen lying in the ground.

It's mostly a carbon fibre car yes? Glorified plastic, incredibly strong in some circumstances/design criteria and surprisingly weak in other ways that it's not supposed to be strong in

Soov535 said:

ALawson said:

SilverSpur said:

it could have been sat in storage for months and months on tyres that were hardening and out of condition.

That was one of my first thoughts, absolutely terrible for all those involved.

Never driven anything as exotic as a F50 but having been out in a few PH'ers cars can imagine how quickly things can change. Hope the driver makes a full recovery, will be difficult for him. But his family and friends must also be devastated.

RIP.

I wondered about this.

The accident happened one minute into the ride. Cold tyres/dusty concrete road/too much throttle = tankslapper?

It's speculation yes, as is almost everything on this thread and almost every thread on PH however it's not WILD speculation.

If you want facts go find a wiki page. It's a forum, where people come to talk and chat. Perhaps someone with first hand information might turn up and put people straight. Or they probably won't.




Out of interest, having read some of the comments on here, especially from MOTK who clearly has first hand info, do you have an opinion on what may have happened?

[Don]

Eric Mc said:

Actually, I found a link totally by accident - because the crash wasn't anywhere near Winchester - it was quite local to me, at North Wanborough near Odiham

http://www.gethampshire.co.uk/news/local-news/teen...

Very sad.

I was driving on that stretch of road only last week.

I visit Newlyn's farmshop quite regularly. I didn't know you were local to me, Eric.

Hugely sad that a young life has been lost.

[SilverSpur]

Alexander Worth. 13 years old. RIP lad.

[andrew]

+1

[ALawson]

Link on a previous page a few back.

[k-ink]

R.I.P Alexander

[br d]

Christ that's hard to look at.

Thoughts are with his family.

[NDA]

br d said:

Christ that's hard to look at.

Thoughts are with his family.

Awful - not a dissimilar lad and age to my own boy. Grim beyond words.