68 year old armed bobbies?
Discussion
All well and good until someone (IS) tries to roll up Sellafield and everyone judges the ability of the CNP.
If they repel an attack, they will be heros.
If they don't they will be derided, as will the people who said it was a good idea to put 67yr old men and women in to an armed contact with islamist terrorists.
Like most services to be called upon in the event of a serious emergency, they are not being payed for what they do day to day. They are being payed for what they may be required to do. Someone needs have a good think about whether it is a good idea to as 67yr olds to do what 18-35yr olds were doing in Afghanistan not so long ago.
If they repel an attack, they will be heros.
If they don't they will be derided, as will the people who said it was a good idea to put 67yr old men and women in to an armed contact with islamist terrorists.
Like most services to be called upon in the event of a serious emergency, they are not being payed for what they do day to day. They are being payed for what they may be required to do. Someone needs have a good think about whether it is a good idea to as 67yr olds to do what 18-35yr olds were doing in Afghanistan not so long ago.
stevesingo said:
All well and good until someone (IS) tries to roll up Sellafield and everyone judges the ability of the CNP.
If they repel an attack, they will be heros.
If they don't they will be derided, as will the people who said it was a good idea to put 67yr old men and women in to an armed contact with islamist terrorists.
Like most services to be called upon in the event of a serious emergency, they are not being payed for what they do day to day. They are being payed for what they may be required to do. Someone needs have a good think about whether it is a good idea to as 67yr olds to do what 18-35yr olds were doing in Afghanistan not so long ago.
Never underestimate Age, wisdom and treachery vs youth and exuberance. If they repel an attack, they will be heros.
If they don't they will be derided, as will the people who said it was a good idea to put 67yr old men and women in to an armed contact with islamist terrorists.
Like most services to be called upon in the event of a serious emergency, they are not being payed for what they do day to day. They are being payed for what they may be required to do. Someone needs have a good think about whether it is a good idea to as 67yr olds to do what 18-35yr olds were doing in Afghanistan not so long ago.
Seriously though there was and is a very good reason the police and other's carrying out such jobs a decent retirement age.
Greendubber said:
I dont see why sitting about drinking tea with the odd perimiter check cant be done well into their 60's.
I know I'll be f
ked after my 35 years of proper policing when I'm 60.
That is how it used to be. Now its active patrolling, on shifts. Wearing body armour, carrying an army style self loading rifle, etc ( total 25kg). Add lots of training. It is a very physical job, tough if you are even slightly unfit. Nothing like regular policing.I know I'll be f
ked after my 35 years of proper policing when I'm 60. eldar said:
Greendubber said:
I dont see why sitting about drinking tea with the odd perimiter check cant be done well into their 60's.
I know I'll be fked after my 35 years of proper policing when I'm 60.
That is how it used to be. Now its active patrolling, on shifts. Wearing body armour, carrying an army style self loading rifle, etc ( total 25kg). Add lots of training. It is a very physical job, tough if you are even slightly unfit. Nothing like regular policing.I know I'll be f
ked after my 35 years of proper policing when I'm 60. The guy i know was working at sellafield , 5 years ago and said the job was more boring than being a postie , he just drove round and round in a land rover.
We had an all but disabled collator, although called a CID clerk.
In the first two years of service in those days there was a series of attachments to various departments: traffic, dogs, CID and such but also the mail office - a switching centre, that was fun - and other similarly seemingly pointless days off the street. Most were 9.15 to 4.30 so a bonus, but some were desperately boring. So I went off to collating in a poor state of mind although, as I was a probationer, I was going to fain interest in whatever I was told. Also the bloke was well thought of in the Job. The posting was for two days but I wangled four as the bloke knew it all and knew them all.
He would talk about local villains. He was a history book of crime on legs, although not very strong ones. He got phone calls while I was there and would bring me in on them. DIs would pop in and throw something at him and he'd give an answer after a few seconds of thought. He was a little bitter about the way he'd been treated by the job and that took half a day, but beyond that, he must have saved officers days of work every time he replied to one of their involved questions.
Any question was met with a brief silence - I soon learnt not to break it - and then a little justification for his conclusion, followed by a 'you might want to look at . . .'
He'd be sacked now as unable to run up and down the gym fast enough. Serve him right for being injured. People like him should not expect to be employed just because he was worth to the Job ten times what he was paid.
In the first two years of service in those days there was a series of attachments to various departments: traffic, dogs, CID and such but also the mail office - a switching centre, that was fun - and other similarly seemingly pointless days off the street. Most were 9.15 to 4.30 so a bonus, but some were desperately boring. So I went off to collating in a poor state of mind although, as I was a probationer, I was going to fain interest in whatever I was told. Also the bloke was well thought of in the Job. The posting was for two days but I wangled four as the bloke knew it all and knew them all.
He would talk about local villains. He was a history book of crime on legs, although not very strong ones. He got phone calls while I was there and would bring me in on them. DIs would pop in and throw something at him and he'd give an answer after a few seconds of thought. He was a little bitter about the way he'd been treated by the job and that took half a day, but beyond that, he must have saved officers days of work every time he replied to one of their involved questions.
Any question was met with a brief silence - I soon learnt not to break it - and then a little justification for his conclusion, followed by a 'you might want to look at . . .'
He'd be sacked now as unable to run up and down the gym fast enough. Serve him right for being injured. People like him should not expect to be employed just because he was worth to the Job ten times what he was paid.
egor110 said:
How recently has it changed then ?
The guy i know was working at sellafield , 5 years ago and said the job was more boring than being a postie , he just drove round and round in a land rover.
About 7 years ago. Up until then the CNC were responsible for all aspects of security and policing. HMG had a review of security, and decided it was inadequate in just about every respect. The guy i know was working at sellafield , 5 years ago and said the job was more boring than being a postie , he just drove round and round in a land rover.
The result was major upgrade of physical security - extra fences, crash defences, bastions. The CNC was then responsible only for security and anti terrorist defence, with Cumbria constabulary responsible for all other aspects.
CNC were armed - army style, rather than police, and expected to be properly equipped to defend against a sustained terrorist attack. A few of these, for example - http://www.ovik-crossway.com/
A lot of the old school CNC people retired, moved to civil police or just quit. Some stayed and got fitter!
Other security measures were IT, better people vetting and lots more concrete.
Big money, in all.
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