5 dead in Camber Sands today

[alfie2244]

ALawson said:

Perhaps an autopsy hasn't been carried out yet, hence died. Will probably be changed to drowning unless they all ate or drank something which disagreed with them.

I expect being surrounded by swimmers as a non-swimmer in such apparently benign surroundings may well have led to them feeling safe; six death is certainly very strange.

6 deaths when surrounded by 100's of other, including kids I would assume.....very strange indeed.

Having been in and out of Rye Harbour literally 100's of times the only thing I can think is the river can run at about 5 knots when going out so wonder if they somehow got caught in that. I know this because my old boat only did 5 knots flat out.

[oyster]

AJL308 said:

OpulentBob said:

Dog Star said:

OpulentBob said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-371827...

5 guys on a day trip from London.

Some of you lovely people need to have a word with yourselves.

I'm unsure just why making a logical assumption that these poor chaps were migrants would mean that people "need to have a word with yourselves".

In this day and age five men washing up on the beach in the south of England - I'll stick my neck out and say it's a fairly high probability; incorrect as it turns out. Nothing "racist" about it, even though you might want to twist it that way.

It's not a logical assumption though. It's paranoid, Daily Mail-esque kneejerk posts based on a couple of pieces of hearsay and rumour, that they were trying to float across from Europe to enjoy our free milk and honey.

You say "in this day and age", I can't remember the last time I heard about a boat load of immigrants washing up on the beach. If they were found in the back of a truck, or flattened at the entrance to the A14 services then yes I would agree it is likely to be an immigrant, but they're not sending across flotillas yet.

But that's the point..."yet".

The chances are that it will happen sooner or later. No one will be surprised when it does. Because no one will be surprised demonstrates that it was a perfectly reasonable conclusion to arrive at. The fact that it was wrong doesn't change that, nor does arriving at such a conclusion make someone a racist.

I'm not sure that something that has never happened before can become a perfectly reasonable conclusion to an event.

Only inside a very paranoid mind can that happen.

[loafer123]

alfie2244 said:

ALawson said:

Perhaps an autopsy hasn't been carried out yet, hence died. Will probably be changed to drowning unless they all ate or drank something which disagreed with them.

I expect being surrounded by swimmers as a non-swimmer in such apparently benign surroundings may well have led to them feeling safe; six death is certainly very strange.

6 deaths when surrounded by 100's of other, including kids I would assume.....very strange indeed.

Having been in and out of Rye Harbour literally 100's of times the only thing I can think is the river can run at about 5 knots when going out so wonder if they somehow got caught in that. I know this because my old boat only did 5 knots flat out.

I don't think they were near the river.

The Sussex Police Commissioner did an interview on R4 saying the riptide was where the pools of water on a shallow beach like Camber then escapes through small channels back to the sea when the tide goes out, and swimming against it is very difficult.

I know Camber very well and that is a very feasible way of getting into serious trouble if you can't swim.

[don'tbesilly]

alfie2244 said:

ALawson said:

Perhaps an autopsy hasn't been carried out yet, hence died. Will probably be changed to drowning unless they all ate or drank something which disagreed with them.

I expect being surrounded by swimmers as a non-swimmer in such apparently benign surroundings may well have led to them feeling safe; six death is certainly very strange.

6 deaths when surrounded by 100's of other, including kids I would assume.....very strange indeed.

Having been in and out of Rye Harbour literally 100's of times the only thing I can think is the river can run at about 5 knots when going out so wonder if they somehow got caught in that. I know this because my old boat only did 5 knots flat out.

Was it 6 or 5?

I know there were reports of 5 confirmed dead and one missing, have they found a sixth?

Reports are that the 5 (or 6?) drove down from London on a day trip, I'm guessing they found a car in a car park and traced the owner, perhaps this was how they've established the details of the group?

I'm sure we'll get to hear more as the investigation unfolds.

[dandarez]

alfie2244 said:

ALawson said:

Perhaps an autopsy hasn't been carried out yet, hence died. Will probably be changed to drowning unless they all ate or drank something which disagreed with them.

I expect being surrounded by swimmers as a non-swimmer in such apparently benign surroundings may well have led to them feeling safe; six death is certainly very strange.

6 deaths when surrounded by 100's of other, including kids I would assume.....very strange indeed.

Having been in and out of Rye Harbour literally 100's of times the only thing I can think is the river can run at about 5 knots when going out so wonder if they somehow got caught in that. I know this because my old boat only did 5 knots flat out.

Several are saying this, I have a friend on the coast who said you can be virtually paddling up to knees and suddenly because of a rip (further away up the river), next minute you can be up to your chest or higher. We did have storms only days ago. But still seems a mystery that all five (six?) died? Perhaps like said, none could swim (entirely plausible). Why go to Camber? Shallow waters...
Will be interesting to hear the results of this tragedy.

[Juanco20]

loafer123 said:

I don't think they were near the river.

The Sussex Police Commissioner did an interview on R4 saying the riptide was where the pools of water on a shallow beach like Camber then escapes through small channels back to the sea when the tide goes out, and swimming against it is very difficult.

I know Camber very well and that is a very feasible way of getting into serious trouble if you can't swim.

Lie back, let it take you where it wants to, doggy paddle your way to either side and leisurely make your way back.

You really shouldn't be going in the sea if you can't manage the above

[944fan]

Juanco20 said:

loafer123 said:

I don't think they were near the river.

The Sussex Police Commissioner did an interview on R4 saying the riptide was where the pools of water on a shallow beach like Camber then escapes through small channels back to the sea when the tide goes out, and swimming against it is very difficult.

I know Camber very well and that is a very feasible way of getting into serious trouble if you can't swim.

Lie back, let it take you where it wants to, doggy paddle your way to either side and leisurely make your way back.

You really shouldn't be going in the sea if you can't manage the above

This is the problem. People don't know how to get out of a rip and so try swimming directly against the current. Michael Phelps with an outboard strapped to his arse aint out swimming one of those.

The other problem is people can't even tread water or know how to float on their back.

As you say basic water survival and if you can't do that you shouldn't be going in the sea.

[TonyToniTone]

dandarez said:

Do you just simply hover around waiting to flash your 'card'?

Pot Kettle.

[loafer123]

Juanco20 said:

loafer123 said:

I don't think they were near the river.

The Sussex Police Commissioner did an interview on R4 saying the riptide was where the pools of water on a shallow beach like Camber then escapes through small channels back to the sea when the tide goes out, and swimming against it is very difficult.

I know Camber very well and that is a very feasible way of getting into serious trouble if you can't swim.

Lie back, let it take you where it wants to, doggy paddle your way to either side and leisurely make your way back.

You really shouldn't be going in the sea if you can't manage the above

Absolutely, that is what you should do, but if you are someone who can't swim who goes for a day trip to Camber where, when the tide is in, you can paddle/wade for at least 300 metres out to sea and it feels as safe as a paddling pool, you can see how people get into trouble when the conditions suddenly change. If anything, as the tide goes out, you would think you get safer, but not in this case.

[don'tbesilly]

All 5 were from the Greenwich area according to the Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3756569/Th...

[Mr GrimNasty]

Police assure us they were on a day-trip from London and they know who they are?

Seems like an awfully odd coincidence (5 or 6 seems to be about the standard number for a channel crossing).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37186599

[BlackLabel]

So you think this is some kind of police cover up? (That the media and random friends on Twitter/Facebook are involved in too)?

Mr GrimNasty said:

Police assure us they were on a day-trip from London and they know who they are?

Seems like an awful odd coincidence (5 or 6 seems to be about the standard number for a channel crossing).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37186599

[jamie w]

Some people here who know the water there better than most:

http://forums.boards.mpora.com/showthread.php/7737...

Post 18 from Na-omi could explain it.

[Mr GrimNasty]

BlackLabel said:

So you think this is some kind of police cover up? (That the media and random friends on Twitter/Facebook are involved in too)?

Mr GrimNasty said:

Police assure us they were on a day-trip from London and they know who they are?

Seems like an awful odd coincidence (5 or 6 seems to be about the standard number for a channel crossing).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37186599

No, I said it was a coincidence. Whatever conclusion you draw based on that or other evidence is up to you.

[mrtwisty]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Police assure us they were on a day-trip from London and they know who they are?

Seems like an awfully odd coincidence (5 or 6 seems to be about the standard number for a channel crossing).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37186599

The police are definitely in on it. I bumped into the MET chief the other day mid-metamorphosis - his green scaly tail was still showing!




Jesus Christ, this place sometimes....

[superkartracer]

Juanco20 said:

loafer123 said:

I don't think they were near the river.

The Sussex Police Commissioner did an interview on R4 saying the riptide was where the pools of water on a shallow beach like Camber then escapes through small channels back to the sea when the tide goes out, and swimming against it is very difficult.

I know Camber very well and that is a very feasible way of getting into serious trouble if you can't swim.

Lie back, let it take you where it wants to, doggy paddle your way to either side and leisurely make your way back.

You really shouldn't be going in the sea if you can't manage the above

What if it drags you out a few 100m at 5mph and what about cold water shock from suddenly being dragged into cold deep water ?

[anonymous-user]

superkartracer said:

Juanco20 said:

loafer123 said:

I don't think they were near the river.

The Sussex Police Commissioner did an interview on R4 saying the riptide was where the pools of water on a shallow beach like Camber then escapes through small channels back to the sea when the tide goes out, and swimming against it is very difficult.

I know Camber very well and that is a very feasible way of getting into serious trouble if you can't swim.

Lie back, let it take you where it wants to, doggy paddle your way to either side and leisurely make your way back.

You really shouldn't be going in the sea if you can't manage the above

What if it drags you out a few 100m at 5mph and what about cold water shock from suddenly being dragged into cold deep water ?

I guess that's where a lack or knowledge/understanding can be very dangerous. If you know the procedure you will be fine, if you are unaware of what's happening I can imagine panic setting in incredibly quickly.

[croyde]

I got caught in a rip off of a beach in Barbados. I tired quickly and tried floating and waving. People only 20 metres away just smiled and waved back. Couldn't shout above the roar of the waves.

My then wife was on the beach pregnant with our 1st child. I got to the point of thinking this is it, what a stupid way to die.

A local lad on a boogie board saved me. Threw me the board and then I caught a wave and surfed it in with the lad attached by his foot cord.

I spoke to a lifeguard about just floating and hopefully getting to the next bay.

No way he said, next stop would have been Venezuela.

That was my second near drowning experience in the sea. I treat it with a lot of respect these days.

[dandarez]

TonyToniTone said:

dandarez said:

Do you just simply hover around waiting to flash your 'card'?

Pot Kettle.

Which card have I flashed then Tonibell?

[dandarez]

Opulent Bob, another one for you as you can't recall any migrant boats turning up on our shores.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/703801/Migrants-r...