5 dead in Camber Sands today

[Biker 1]

I (stupidly) took a rubber dinghy to sea off the coast near Dover a few years back. Calm water, but northerly wind blew dinghy out to sea with me + daughter. I had a long line attached to a rock, but trying to pull us in actually moved the rock. I paddled like mad & only just made it back.
As others have said: the sea demands total respect.

[944fan]

jamie w said:

Some people here who know the water there better than most:

http://forums.boards.mpora.com/showthread.php/7737...

Post 18 from Na-omi could explain it.

Its an interesting perspective. I am a very good swimmer, I mostly do OW in lakes. Last year I did a sea swim at Eastbourne. Bit further down the coast from Camber but has the same longshore current.

The course was a triangle shape. When I turned at the last buoy I was against the current. I was hardly moving. Took an almighty effort to overcome the current to the next buoy.

It put me off doing any more sea swims.

[RichB]

croyde said:

... I caught a wave and surfed it in with the lad attached by his foot cord...

WHat a vision. You must have near on drowned him, surfing with with the poor lad in tow dragged along by his legs!

[Puggit]

Telegraph has named some of them, appear to be of Indian heritage:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/24/three-d...

[marshalla]

Puggit said:

Telegraph has named some of them, appear to be of Indian heritage:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/24/three-d...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3756569/Th... says Sri Lankan

[scenario8]

Five lads playing footie on a sandbank that suddenly wasn't there anymore sounds entirely plausible. Poor lads. Quite a price to pay for a bit of ignorance and inexperience. A terrible time for their relatives, of course.

Very odd tone to that DM article. Which isn't a surprise I suppose.

This thread was not unexpectedly silly at times.

[chow pan toon]

Mr GrimNasty said:

BlackLabel said:

So you think this is some kind of police cover up? (That the media and random friends on Twitter/Facebook are involved in too)?

Mr GrimNasty said:

Police assure us they were on a day-trip from London and they know who they are?

Seems like an awful odd coincidence (5 or 6 seems to be about the standard number for a channel crossing).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37186599

No, I said it was a coincidence. Whatever conclusion you draw based on that or other evidence is up to you.

I think everyone draws certain conclusions from your posts.

[anonymous-user]

chow pan toon said:

I think everyone draws certain conclusions from your posts.

Yep.

[Digga]

scenario8 said:

Five lads playing footie on a sandbank that suddenly wasn't there anymore sounds entirely plausible. Poor lads. Quite a price to pay for a bit of ignorance and inexperience. A terrible time for their relatives, of course.

Very odd tone to that DM article. Which isn't a surprise I suppose.

This thread was not unexpectedly silly at times.

Tragic. Clearly, although able to swim, they weren't dressed for or planning on it, but rather got cut off by the incoming tide over sand bars. Easily done. Combined, possibly, with a rip, it would be extremely dangerous.

RIP

[Randy Winkman]

Digga said:

scenario8 said:

Five lads playing footie on a sandbank that suddenly wasn't there anymore sounds entirely plausible. Poor lads. Quite a price to pay for a bit of ignorance and inexperience. A terrible time for their relatives, of course.

Very odd tone to that DM article. Which isn't a surprise I suppose.

This thread was not unexpectedly silly at times.

Tragic. Clearly, although able to swim, they weren't dressed for or planning on it, but rather got cut off by the incoming tide over sand bars. Easily done. Combined, possibly, with a rip, it would be extremely dangerous.

RIP

That's the important point. Rest in Peace. Very sad.

[R1gtr]

Sad stuff, just a bunch of lads out for a nice day out away from the city and they get caught out like that, poor buggers, sad way to go.

[cptsideways]

Two days ago was the biggest tide of the year, it's not changed much in a day or so, rip currents and one person panicking in a group could cause issues.

[J4CKO]

Hopkins has been spreading the love...


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/katie-hopkins...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...


Jesus woman, enough, please fade into obscurity and have a nice, but not too nice life.

[TonyToniTone]

dandarez said:

Which card have I flashed then Tonibell?

"The Racist Card", Card - as soon as anyone questions your motives..

RIP

[princealbert23]

Dog Star said:

I'm unsure just why making a logical assumption that these poor chaps were migrants would mean that people "need to have a word with yourselves".

In this day and age five men washing up on the beach in the south of England - I'll stick my neck out and say it's a fairly high probability; incorrect as it turns out. Nothing "racist" about it, even though you might want to twist it that way.

[ED209]

garyhun said:

superkartracer said:

Juanco20 said:

loafer123 said:

I don't think they were near the river.

The Sussex Police Commissioner did an interview on R4 saying the riptide was where the pools of water on a shallow beach like Camber then escapes through small channels back to the sea when the tide goes out, and swimming against it is very difficult.

I know Camber very well and that is a very feasible way of getting into serious trouble if you can't swim.

Lie back, let it take you where it wants to, doggy paddle your way to either side and leisurely make your way back.

You really shouldn't be going in the sea if you can't manage the above

What if it drags you out a few 100m at 5mph and what about cold water shock from suddenly being dragged into cold deep water ?

I guess that's where a lack or knowledge/understanding can be very dangerous. If you know the procedure you will be fine, if you are unaware of what's happening I can imagine panic setting in incredibly quickly.

This.

Me and the wife had to get rescued about 5 years ago whilst snorkelling off sharm. The boat skipper dropped us off in an area with a very strong current. Before we knew it we had been washed past the reef into an area of very rough water. It was awful, panic really set in.

The worst part about it was thinking i had to help my wife but that I couldn't even help myself. At one point i thought we were going to die. It was awful.

This year we have got into triathlons and I have done about 8 open water swims, every single time i have a few minutes of panic when I first get in the water. I think its due to the cold interfering with your breathing and sometimes the lack of visibility in the water. This is despite me knowing that i am wearing a wetsuit, i can easily float and i know people are around. Its an awful feeling and i can imagine it being 100 times worse when you are completely inexperienced.

[croyde]

RichB said:

croyde said:

... I caught a wave and surfed it in with the lad attached by his foot cord...

WHat a vision. You must have near on drowned him, surfing with with the poor lad in tow dragged along by his legs!

Were you there. That's exactly how it happened

[otolith]

J4CKO said:

Hopkins has been spreading the love...


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/katie-hopkins...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/katie-hop...


Jesus woman, enough, please fade into obscurity and have a nice, but not too nice life.

Easy for her, witches float.

[robm3]

Here in Sydney we're constantly pulling weak swimmers out from the surf and beaches.
Many of my mates are volunteer lifeguards and my children attend the Surf Club training on Sundays.

Usually you can spot the ones most likely to drown before they get into trouble. Very white, untanned Europeans (Irish and English mainly) and Indians and Asians hitting the surf in their clothes. e.g. not boardshorts (boardies) or swimmers but cotton shorts or even jeans!!

[carinaman]

I'm usually immune to the outrage directed at Katie Hopkins, but I think she was out of order with her Tweet about it, the 'promising footballer' bit reminded me of PH.