Politics in France

[anonymous-user]

Wozy68 said:

Well since the day that we became dictated to in Europe (sorry is that led by) by bloody naive simpletons who decided for us all that the majority, ie the unclean had got it wrong and gave the last 50 years to expecting us to live with and use the ethnic minority card within our societies and be damned if you don't agree; that we needed to treat others like we expect to be treated ourselves and let that policy dictate all our lives, of which (like we all knew wouldn't) hasn't worked, we've now started to turn the cards through utter frustration, and shout 'fk it', let' you have to deal with us on your territory and under our values for a change ...... and fair bloody play.

I think means: certain Europeans have told "us" (you and le Pen) what to do in Europe for a long time so now we (you and le Pen) are going to go to places outside Europe and be shameless s.

I think. Please say if I've misunderstood the basis of your support for le Pen.

[Wozy68]

Greg66 said:

Wozy68 said:

Well since the day that we became dictated to in Europe (sorry is that led by) by bloody naive simpletons who decided for us all that the majority, ie the unclean had got it wrong and gave the last 50 years to expecting us to live with and use the ethnic minority card within our societies and be damned if you don't agree; that we needed to treat others like we expect to be treated ourselves and let that policy dictate all our lives, of which (like we all knew wouldn't) hasn't worked, we've now started to turn the cards through utter frustration, and shout 'fk it', let' you have to deal with us on your territory and under our values for a change ...... and fair bloody play.

I think means: certain Europeans have told "us" (you and le Pen) what to do in Europe for a long time so now we (you and le Pen) are going to go to places outside Europe and be shameless s.

I think. Please say if I've misunderstood the basis of your support for le Pen.

Hmmmm. No . Le Pen is no friend of mine.

Also apologies, it's late and 'ethnic minorities' was meant to read multiculturalism in my previous post. Not sure how I managed to get that so totally wrong .

[smifffymoto]

Whilst no being the correct thing to do,she stuck to her principles and didn't worry about the negative.
Perhaps if more politicians were as principled and less image driven we would have clearer lines in politics.

[Murph7355]

smifffymoto said:

Whilst no being the correct thing to do,she stuck to her principles and didn't worry about the negative.
Perhaps if more politicians were as principled and less image driven we would have clearer lines in politics.

Why go there in the first place if you disagree with the way they want to live? That's the message she pushes out (with some merit IMO), so why not stand by it?

If it's because foreign affairs dictate a little more diplomacy than that (another argument with some merit), then why not extend that diplomacy to wearing a head scarf. It's not like she has some massive hair do that wouldn't stand being under a tricolor headscarf for an hour

Edited by Murph7355 on Wednesday 22 February 10:23

[hyphen]

Murph7355 said:

Why go there in the first place if you disagree with the way they want to live? That's the message she pushes out (with some merit IMO), so why not stand by it?

If it's because foreign affairs dictate a little more diplomacy than that (another argument with some merit), then why not extend that diplomacy to wearing a head scarf. It's not like she has some massive hair do that wouldn't stand being under a tricolor headscarf for an hour

She has compared herself to Michelle Obama choosing to not to wear a headscarf on her visit to Saudi Arabia.

Her strategy, whether or not it has worked, for visiting Lebanon was 2 folds it appears:

1) A key aim of the visit was to promote her Christian values back home, Lebanon has a high profile Christian minority and she met leading figures. Wants to be seen as a protector of Christians in the Middle East.
2) Her official policy is to extend head scarves to more areas so this brought attention to it. If it had gone the other way and the Mufti had overlooked then would have been seen as 'standing up for female suppression'

[BlackLabel]

The Guardian have called it..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb...

[Digga]

BlackLabel said:

The Guardian have called it..

Well, that changes things.

[Wobbegong]

[rdjohn]

The Guardian also believes that if it can magic up some bad-Brexit news everyday, then that won't happen either.

Their first "winds-of-change" story might already be in the bag for tonight for if Labour is blown out of Stoke.

Best keep your head firmly buried in the sand, guys.

[dandarez]

BlackLabel said:

The Guardian have called it..

No wonder the Grauniad is in the mire, that was the 8 Feb issue!



Don't you just love the bit at the foot about saving the lefty rag?

For the price of a coffee...

Nah, I will carry on drinking my . In fact, I'd rather spill it!

The Grauniad - how long before it truly disappears?
Sooner than later.
Hopefully. 

[hyphen]

BlackLabel said:

The Guardian have called it..

More accurately, they have printed an article from an external author who works for a 'cultural and social risk consultancy' and seem to specialise in click bait titles.

There latest publication is "How Veganism is Taking Over Mainstream Europe" They came to this conclusion and wrote this report after a bit of time on the internet surfing and chatting with vegan organisations along with 291 vegan sympathetics. Later on they do actually print a map showing 0.85% of the Uk is vegan, 0.35% in Germany and France. Not exactly taking over anything

http://counterpoint.uk.com/publications/

publication said:

On the basis of our interviews with vegan organisations across Europe, articles in the media, Google Trends analysis and a study surveying 291 individuals who follow or are sympathetic to a plant-based diet all point to one truth — it appears that veganism is taking off with alacrity and bursting onto the mainstream.

[BlackLabel]

Oh dear.

"French police raid presidential candidate Francois Fillon's home amid continuing alleged fake jobs probe - reports"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39146848?ns...

Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 2nd March 18:49

[spaximus]

It does seem very strange what is happening in France. Anyone would think that there are people who do not want anyone to win the election.

Le Pen has now had immunity removed by the EU for showing videos of ISIS atrocities, which apparently is incitement to hate. I know she is a racist but reporting facts seems fair, ignoring them is why France is heading they way it is.

The Guardian may well be right as too many were shocked by the UK Brexit and Trump to allow even more weird happenings on the world stage

[wc98]

BlackLabel said:

The Guardian have called it..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb...

"my work with focus groups" says it all. it is this sort of delusional removed from reality fkwits opinions many people are railing against at the moment. all focus groups and attendees should be killed with fire for evermore ,maybe.

[mickytruelove]

I seems like a mini USA election where the the current government are trying every trick in the book to not loose the election.

[dandarez]

Missed this last night. Report by Mark Stone on Sky. Thought I'd have a watch of the video of it online.

http://news.sky.com/story/french-election-far-righ...

Useful if you're wondering why Le Pen is gathering momentum.

Stone goes to southern French town of Beziers. Not long ago it was one of France's poorest towns, as Stone says it was a place on its knees.
Today?
It's spotlessly clean, it's safe, but the surprise is its the largest far-right stronghold in France.
Credit for the transformation is given to its new mayor Menard, a highly controversial far right figure, but not a member of Front National. However, Le Pen backed him with what he was doing.

By contrast Stone goes to Beaucaire, smaller than Beziers, and again run by a far right Mayor (a rising member of the NF this time). He's the one who put up the road sign 'Rue Du Brexit'. Stone gets a taste of what its like in Beaucaire when yobs start lobbing stuff at him and a local businessman who says he will be voting for Le Pen because of things like this. It goes beyond immigration. Police are on the spot while it happens. They appear useless. No wonder people have had enough. You get a flavour for what's going on.

Stone ends saying he can't see a Le Pen victory.
The polls say so.
Just like they did with Brexit and Trump.

[Rich_W]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieKYwTFUV5Q

MLP in Action. (think it's not that recent)

It's funny just for Merkels scowling face

[mickytruelove]

Rich_W said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieKYwTFUV5Q

MLP in Action. (think it's not that recent)

It's funny just for Merkels scowling face

ha, she aint wrong.

I wont be long before france plays the russian card. Everyone is brain washed by russia.

[AreOut]

they even blame migrant crisis on Russia, despite it was Angela Merkel calling the migrants to come

any mistake you make just blame Russia, lose US elections, brexit, migrant crisis, arab spring in lybia syria, all the mess in the middle east...all russian fault (and sometimes it's climate change)

[hyphen]

BlackLabel said:

Oh dear.

"French police raid presidential candidate Francois Fillon's home amid continuing alleged fake jobs probe - reports"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39146848?ns...

Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 2nd March 18:49

Apparently in France, if you become president, any 'pending' investigations are suspended for the term of the office. So would be surprised if he does drop out. This fiasco will increase anger against 'the establishment' which could work in favour of Le Penn.

In other news, you know the 'Macron secretly gay and in an affair with a tv exec' rumours that he is strenuously denying? Boy George took to twitter yesterday to endorse him based on him being gay