More fun and games in Calais

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Looks like that action is going to cause trouble for drivers leaving the Eurotunnel and heading north, say to the Nurburgring.

bks.

Where do you live? Just did Harwich to Hook of Holland for Spa; brilliant... Doubt I'll ever use Dover/Calais again!

[Digga]

fblm said:

Where do you live?

Wild West Midlands. Already got a chunnel crossing booked for DN16 next month.

fblm said:

Just did Harwich to Hook of Holland for Spa; brilliant... Doubt I'll ever use Dover/Calais again!

I've done (and loved) Hull - Rotterdam in the past. I do like an overnight ferry, especially when the sea gets up a bit. Plus it always reminds me of that episode of Only Fools and Horses when they borrowed that trawler.

[magooagain]

BlackLabel said:

Shopkeepers, businessmen, farmers and police unionists in Calais have pledged to block 'indefinitely' the motorway leading to the port with a 'human chain', saying they will not break it until the migrant Jungle camp that has now swollen to up to 10,000 people is totally dismantled. The unprecedented action, due to start on Monday, came as the local head of France’s national haulage federation warned: "Migrant violence hasn’t gone up a notch, it’s gone up 10 floors."

Fair play. Let's hope they block the tunnel routes both way also. It's about time every country and businesses involved in this issue stood side by side and took on the responsibility of ending this farce before lives are lost.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Wild West Midlands. Already got a chunnel crossing booked for DN16 next month.

Shame, the Harwich route knocks about 80 miles off your drive to the Eifel too...

[Terminator X]

Digga said:

steveo3002 said:

i like the gasp as theyre backing up and didnt notice the lorry steaming past em

The whole scenario is incredibly dangerous. Effectively, we - us in Europe - have allowed a key, strategic transport hub of our continent to become bandit territory.

Perhaps o/t however didn't ISIS "predict" long ago that their actions would result in a tidal wave of immigrants washing over Europe? Seems to be bang on.

TX.

[Digga]

Terminator X said:

Digga said:

steveo3002 said:

i like the gasp as theyre backing up and didnt notice the lorry steaming past em

The whole scenario is incredibly dangerous. Effectively, we - us in Europe - have allowed a key, strategic transport hub of our continent to become bandit territory.

Perhaps o/t however didn't ISIS "predict" long ago that their actions would result in a tidal wave of immigrants washing over Europe? Seems to be bang on.

TX.

True.mthe phrase "know your enemy" was never more apt.

[Esseesse]

cymtriks said:

Digga said:

We want immigrants

Millions of people don't, who is this "we" that you refer to?

Digga said:

we need immigrants,

What is this "need" that you refer to?

We don't need any immigrants whatsoever. That's skilled and illegal.

Some may want some immigrants, many do not.

[Esseesse]

del mar said:

Surely if the Italians want to run a ferry service for these refugees from Libya to the EU, it is their problem.

They should register them, and process their application for asylum, which would do away with having thousands of people in Calais living with no legal status.

They could be deemed Italian and then we have somewhere to deport them to.

Most in the EU (apart from Germany at least) seem content enough with the status quo in the knowledge that most migrants will leave their countries at the other end. End open borders and the current problems would probably resolve themselves overnight.

[pim]

Esseesse said:

We don't need any immigrants whatsoever. That's skilled and illegal.

Some may want some immigrants, many do not.

Where do you get all this rubbish from? See how quickly our hospitals stop function without immigrants.

Just be glad you are not in a situation where you have to run from war and misery Pal.Don't be so indifferent.

[Muntu]

pim said:

Where do you get all this rubbish from? See how quickly our hospitals stop function without immigrants.

Just be glad you are not in a situation where you have to run from war and misery Pal.Don't be so indifferent.

That's a new one on me - do you have any pictures of this war in Calais that they are running away from?

[230TE]

Open the gates, I say. Clear the Jungle and let them all in. Then lay on coaches to...Islington and Hampstead mainly, and drop one Jungle inhabitant off at the doorstep of every virtue-signalling left-liberal halfwit who supports the "No Borders" campaign, telling them "This is your home now".

[AJS-]

230TE said:

Open the gates, I say. Clear the Jungle and let them all in. Then lay on coaches to...Islington and Hampstead mainly, and drop one Jungle inhabitant off at the doorstep of every virtue-signalling left-liberal halfwit who supports the "No Borders" campaign, telling them "This is your home now".

I would rather ship the lefty liberal halfwits off to Afghanistan so we can share the enrichment around rather than hogging it all to ourselves.

[230TE]

AJS- said:

I would rather ship the lefty liberal halfwits off to Afghanistan so we can share the enrichment around rather than hogging it all to ourselves.

That might work too. They could employ the ex Jungle inhabitants as servants. Briefly.

[BlackLabel]

Esseesse said:

We don't need any immigrants whatsoever. That's skilled and illegal.

Some may want some immigrants, many do not.

Within many job sectors we are dependent on foreign trained professionals (eg the nhs, engineering etc) to meet demand. It's silly to suggest we don't need immigrants - of course we do, we just need the right kind.

[cymtriks]

FN2TypeR said:

Digga said:

ou only need look at UK employment/unemployment figures to realise we still need (the right) immigrant talent.

You only need to read my post to know that I agree with that, particularly the first part.

No we don't.

The "need" only arises for two reasons, either we are unwilling to pay the cost for a UK educated and trained person or our education system has failed. That's it, two reasons, both of them bad.

The first is unsustainable, an immoral pyramid scheme that steals "doctors and scientists" from countries that will really miss them, we are taking what the poor have spent years creating to make the rich more comfortable.

The second is something we really need to get a grip on. We have had decades of "pass marks have not fallen", "more kids at Uni is good" and "unemployed? - Go self employed!". The reason for these is nothing more than a cynical attempt to get the youth unemployment figures down while actually saddling the same youth with paying for the privilege of being off the unemployment books but still actually unemployed.

An education system that actually trained our own "doctors and scientists" might actually be sustainable and an end to endless slight of hand to hide unemployment (Who is still fooled anyway?) might actually focus us on solving the issue, see education, or at least not hiding it.

[Digga]

cymtriks said:

an immoral pyramid scheme that steals "doctors and scientists" from countries that will really miss them, we are taking what the poor have spent years creating to make the rich more comfortable.

I must admit to having pondered this point on numerous occasions - not least after having my shoulder operated on in France by an (excellent) African-born surgeon - and worried about the effect of this brain drain on the developing world.

[Smiler.]

I listened to From Our Own Correspondent on R4 the other week, a segment was from an African country.

Along with a perceived rise in Islamic agro, the local youths were all expressing their intention to leave home, come to Europe & make some money. Then go back home with a pot of gold.

Nothing wrong with that aspiration per se, but the interviewer did ponder what that meant for the good of their home country.

I thought at the time,"I wonder if any of these will end up in Calais, waiting to jump on a truck".

The situation is not clear cut but I think it's made worse by the lack of action by the authorities & the stirring up by the SJW clan.


Oh, and 200 years penal servitude for proper convicted* people smugglers!



* not your typical HGV driver from Brum

[CaptainSlow]

Digga said:

cymtriks said:

an immoral pyramid scheme that steals "doctors and scientists" from countries that will really miss them, we are taking what the poor have spent years creating to make the rich more comfortable.

I must admit to having pondered this point on numerous occasions - not least after having my shoulder operated on in France by an (excellent) African-born surgeon - and worried about the effect of this brain drain on the developing world.

Quite, it's immoral for the West to rely on medical staff from the developing world.

Poor countries investing money they don't have to improve their own health service only for their investments to be stolen contributes to the spiral of poverty. The liberals in the country harp on about the important role immigrant health professionals play in the NHS, what about the debt and ever increasing interest repayments these counties are suffering in order to train them in the first place? The West should be training and exporting doctors to the developing world, not taking them.

[Esseesse]

pim said:

Esseesse said:

We don't need any immigrants whatsoever. That's skilled and illegal.

Some may want some immigrants, many do not.

Where do you get all this rubbish from? See how quickly our hospitals stop function without immigrants.

Just be glad you are not in a situation where you have to run from war and misery Pal.Don't be so indifferent.

That's how the NHS is today. Believe it or not, we could train enough people ourselves to run our hospitals.

What's this about running from war, what has that got to do with my post?

[Esseesse]

BlackLabel said:

Esseesse said:

We don't need any immigrants whatsoever. That's skilled and illegal.

Some may want some immigrants, many do not.

Within many job sectors we are dependent on foreign trained professionals (eg the nhs, engineering etc) to meet demand. It's silly to suggest we don't need immigrants - of course we do, we just need the right kind.

I agree it may be preferable to have trained people come here, however we have chosen to be dependent (for I guess economic reasons).