More fun and games in Calais

[Funkycoldribena]

oyster said:

This is 100% a British problem. These migrants don't come to Calais because it's in France.

Is this serious?

[Esseesse]

Cupramax said:

Jimboka said:

Why not just stop crossings to Calais over the winter for example. Those in the camp will soon disappear. If the problem moves elsewhere- repeat

I'm not sure theres the capacity elsewhere to cover it, is there? You do realise just how much freight goes through dont you? Perhaps if it was done in a managed fasion, but not if people just went where they felt like.

Didn't there used to be ferries to Boulogne? They don't seem to go there any more.

[Vizsla]

Funkycoldribena said:

oyster said:

This is 100% a British problem. These migrants don't come to Calais because it's in France.

Is this serious?

Perhaps if the migrants camped outside Paris Charles de Gaulle and expressed a desire to be flown to New York, then it would be the USA's problem?

[Digga]

Vizsla said:

Funkycoldribena said:

oyster said:

This is 100% a British problem. These migrants don't come to Calais because it's in France.

Is this serious?

Perhaps if the migrants camped outside Paris Charles de Gaulle and expressed a desire to be flown to New York, then it would be the USA's problem?

What a capital idea!

[irocfan]

HoHoHo said:

SPS said:

Agreed - and lets also remember that they have crossed most of Western Europe to get there.
It is also true that there are real people who do need our help but then obviously a hell of a lot who don't care what they do or who they hurt to try and get to the UK.
These gangs need rounding up and detaining, then processed and sent back.
Does any country really want idiots like these?
They are tarnishing the genuine refugees/migrants with the same awful brush and need to be stopped by the French and British police.

Why do they need 'our' help

Why can't the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish or Greek help?

I suspect he means 'our' help as in the West's help not UK specific

[irocfan]

WelshChris said:

You're right, there isn't and precedent as far as I know, but equally I'm not sure that there's a precedent for the sort of unchallenged and uncontrolled lawlessness that's going on in and around Calais. Mark my words, somebody WILL die as a result of actions by the thugs that patrol the autoroutes - this has to be stopped now.

It's a political problem of course - isn't everything? - we have far too many balls in the air with the French at the moment, and there's no desire amongst our politicians to upset the apple cart. As usual they're playing games with British citizens lives.

at the risk of throwing out an R-card early... there have been deaths - quite a few of them, the thing is though that those deaths are 'just' IIs and not (generally) white tourists or truckers.

[Guybrush]

Vizsla said:

Funkycoldribena said:

oyster said:

This is 100% a British problem. These migrants don't come to Calais because it's in France.

Is this serious?

Perhaps if the migrants camped outside Paris Charles de Gaulle and expressed a desire to be flown to New York, then it would be the USA's problem?

Quite. How anyone can think it's the problem of the desired destination I don't know.

[heebeegeetee]

Guybrush said:

Quite. How anyone can think it's the problem of the desired destination I don't know.

Because they (we) insist on operating in a more dysfunctional, chaotic way and create unforeseen problems like we have in Calais.

[oyster]

Guybrush said:

Vizsla said:

Funkycoldribena said:

oyster said:

This is 100% a British problem. These migrants don't come to Calais because it's in France.

Is this serious?

Perhaps if the migrants camped outside Paris Charles de Gaulle and expressed a desire to be flown to New York, then it would be the USA's problem?

Quite. How anyone can think it's the problem of the desired destination I don't know.

I suspect if we halved our benefits payments overnight, the problem (the one you all seem to think is a French one) would disappear overnight too.

[AJS-]

irocfan said:

at the risk of throwing out an R-card early... there have been deaths - quite a few of them, the thing is though that those deaths are 'just' IIs and not (generally) white tourists or truckers.

I don't think race is anything to do with it. Plenty of non-white French, British and others use the channel crossings legitimately too.

It is much more of a tragedy if someone travelling legitimately dies while doing this than if a criminal thug dies attempting to illegally enter a country which he has no right to be in.

[del mar]

oyster said:

Guybrush said:

Vizsla said:

Funkycoldribena said:

oyster said:

This is 100% a British problem. These migrants don't come to Calais because it's in France.

Is this serious?

Perhaps if the migrants camped outside Paris Charles de Gaulle and expressed a desire to be flown to New York, then it would be the USA's problem?

Quite. How anyone can think it's the problem of the desired destination I don't know.

I suspect if we halved our benefits payments overnight, the problem (the one you all seem to think is a French one) would disappear overnight too.

It is far more complicated than that.

We could remove benefits altogether, but those in Calais would not believe it and it would take some effort to convince those currently living in Libya that this was the case. People choose to believe that the UK is the promised land of milk and honey, it will take some almighty effort to convince them that it is not. Even with no benefits it is still better than some places in the world.

How many ex-colleagues have you met up with for a beer after work that has said " this new job is **** I wish I had stayed?" .

[Digga]

If we reduce the quality and fairness of our welfare system because of some third world hooliganism, it leaves the whole of the UK worse off and is a poor show. All that is needed is for existing laws to be applied and, perhaps, for new laws to be drafted to ensure that arriving in the UK illegally means instant ejection and permanent exclusion from residence. Sadly, we will have to get a bit draconian, in order to protect the liberties of those who live here, arrive as refugees or immigrate by fair and legal means.

[Mr Snrub]

Digga said:

If we reduce the quality and fairness of our welfare system because of some third world hooliganism, it leaves the whole of the UK worse off and is a poor show. All that is needed is for existing laws to be applied and, perhaps, for new laws to be drafted to ensure that arriving in the UK illegally means instant ejection and permanent exclusion from residence. Sadly, we will have to get a bit draconian, in order to protect the liberties of those who live here, arrive as refugees or immigrate by fair and legal means.

About time we had ID cards as well

[Mr GrimNasty]

Digga said:

If we reduce the quality and fairness of our welfare system because of some third world hooliganism, it leaves the whole of the UK worse off and is a poor show. All that is needed is for existing laws to be applied and, perhaps, for new laws to be drafted to ensure that arriving in the UK illegally means instant ejection and permanent exclusion from residence. Sadly, we will have to get a bit draconian, in order to protect the liberties of those who live here, arrive as refugees or immigrate by fair and legal means.

Yes, the problem is that as soon as you give in to blackmail (which is what this deliberate chaos is), you open the floodgates.

We should make the situation crystal clear, no entry, instant return to France, force France to clear up the mess.

[Pan Pan Pan]

oyster said:

Guybrush said:

Vizsla said:

Funkycoldribena said:

oyster said:

This is 100% a British problem. These migrants don't come to Calais because it's in France.

Is this serious?

Perhaps if the migrants camped outside Paris Charles de Gaulle and expressed a desire to be flown to New York, then it would be the USA's problem?

Quite. How anyone can think it's the problem of the desired destination I don't know.

I suspect if we halved our benefits payments overnight, the problem (the one you all seem to think is a French one) would disappear overnight too.

Bliar `invited' them to the UK with promises of free housing, health care, spending money, (the land of milk and honey as some have put it, and certainly better than what is on offer in their own countries) all in an attempt to boost the labour vote in future elections, so in some respects the UK, but specifically Bliar and the labour government do have some responsibility for the camps at Calais, but if Frances southern border controls had done their job properly, there would never be a camp at Calais, regardless of what what f*ckwit Bliar promised them. If they were true refugees the law on asylum requires them to apply for asylum in the first `safe' country they reach.

[Laurel Green]

Perhaps the Calais brigade should seek out a good barrister to take out a class-action against Blair.

[BlackLabel]

Looks like we are building a wall.

"Construction is soon to begin on a "big new wall" in Calais following a surge in the number migrants trying to get across the Channel, the Government has announced.

The 13ft (4m) concrete barrier will be funded by Britain, at a cost of £2m, and will stretch over a half a mile (1km) along the main dual carriageway approaching the ferry port. Work is expected to begin as soon as this month"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/work-to...

[untakenname]

Won't that just shift the problem half a mile down the road?
France could easily end this by tagging those who encroach onto the highways with smart water then a week later sending the army in and removing them back to their country of origin.

[DrDeAtH]

No matter how much money the UK throws at Calais to fix the migrant problem, it won't end it.

This is a problem the French have made for themselves. Where they should have dealt with the migrants on day one, they didn't. They housed them rather than deported them.
Now it's out of control. The French need to send in their own military to sort this out. NOT expect the British to fix it.

I expect that the Dover-Calais ferries will reduce their operations if the French decide to cancel the Le Touquet agreement and open the doors for these people to travel across the channel.

[AreOut]

BlackLabel said:

Looks like we are building a wall.

"Construction is soon to begin on a "big new wall" in Calais following a surge in the number migrants trying to get across the Channel, the Government has announced.

The 13ft (4m) concrete barrier will be funded by Britain, at a cost of £2m, and will stretch over a half a mile (1km) along the main dual carriageway approaching the ferry port. Work is expected to begin as soon as this month"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/work-to...

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