More fun and games in Calais

[italianjob1275]

Puggit said:

don4l said:

I came through Calais in a coach today.

The UK Border staff in Calais found 3 illegals on our coach!

Two were in the engine bay, and one was on the front axle.

The driver seems to be very shook up. To be fair, he did search the bus before we took the last part of the journey. I'm not sure why he is so shaken. I have a suspicion that he might be in danger of losing his job.

I must say, the jungle looks horrific. It is the sort of scene that you would expect after an earthquake in a third world country.

£2k per illegal, isn't it?

I suspect not many fines are being handed out though.

Judging by the "hgvcop" account on Twitter they regularly immobilise Eastern European hauliers with £15-25k in unpaid fines to UK border force, I'd say they dish out plenty of fines. It's just that uk operators are the only ones daft enough to pay them...

[irocfan]

Puggit said:

Hollande wants to completely dismantle 'the Jungle'... Wants us to play our part, though...

http://news.sky.com/story/calais-camp-must-be-comp...

aaaaannnnnddddd here it is...

"....However, during a speech in Le Touquet last week, Mr Sarkozy said: "Those who are here in Calais and who want to cross to England should be processed in England by the English...."

[Digga]

irocfan said:

Puggit said:

Hollande wants to completely dismantle 'the Jungle'... Wants us to play our part, though...

http://news.sky.com/story/calais-camp-must-be-comp...

aaaaannnnnddddd here it is...

"....However, during a speech in Le Touquet last week, Mr Sarkozy said: "Those who are here in Calais and who want to cross to England should be processed in England by the English...."

I don't think he quite grasps what happened here in the UK in June that would make that a political impossibility.

[Mrr T]

Digga said:

irocfan said:

Puggit said:

Hollande wants to completely dismantle 'the Jungle'... Wants us to play our part, though...

http://news.sky.com/story/calais-camp-must-be-comp...

aaaaannnnnddddd here it is...

"....However, during a speech in Le Touquet last week, Mr Sarkozy said: "Those who are here in Calais and who want to cross to England should be processed in England by the English...."

I don't think he quite grasps what happened here in the UK in June that would make that a political impossibility.

I think you miss the point. What happened in June makes this far more likely.

[don'tbesilly]

Mrr T said:

Digga said:

irocfan said:

Puggit said:

Hollande wants to completely dismantle 'the Jungle'... Wants us to play our part, though...

http://news.sky.com/story/calais-camp-must-be-comp...

aaaaannnnnddddd here it is...

"....However, during a speech in Le Touquet last week, Mr Sarkozy said: "Those who are here in Calais and who want to cross to England should be processed in England by the English...."

I don't think he quite grasps what happened here in the UK in June that would make that a political impossibility.

I think you miss the point. What happened in June makes this far more likely.

The Le Touquet Treaty has a two year notice period which is required to bring the agreement to an end, which coincides quite nicely with A50.

Were the French stupid enough to end the agreement, France would be flooded with migrants far more than it is at present, and they would all end up in Northern France, just like they do now but in multiples of the 10,000 that there currently is.

Would you really expect the UK to accept thousand and thousands of migrants, because the French say so, never going to happen, it's just bluster/rhetoric by French Politicians prior to an election.

[JNW1]

Mrr T said:

Digga said:

irocfan said:

Puggit said:

Hollande wants to completely dismantle 'the Jungle'... Wants us to play our part, though...

http://news.sky.com/story/calais-camp-must-be-comp...

aaaaannnnnddddd here it is...

"....However, during a speech in Le Touquet last week, Mr Sarkozy said: "Those who are here in Calais and who want to cross to England should be processed in England by the English...."

I don't think he quite grasps what happened here in the UK in June that would make that a political impossibility.

I think you miss the point. What happened in June makes this far more likely.

I understand why anyone arriving on our shores direct from a location outside the EU is our problem to resolve (i.e. we should do the checks to determine whether or not they have a legitimate right to stay in the UK and either allow them to remain or deport them). However, why should other EU countries not bother with proper border checks and just expect to be able to make any resultant issue ours? I understand why the French don't think it should be their problem either but surely the issue that needs addressing is why are so many people from Africa and the Middle East being granted access which then enables them to travel all the way across Europe? Can't be right that other EU countries simply wave them through and then expect us (or the French) to sort the problem when they can't go any further. Obviously there's a certain amount of posturing going-on in advance of the French Presidential elections but this is surely a problem the EU as a collective needs to get to grips with...

[Cupramax]

Until the idiots at the top of the EU (who are STILL banging on that open borders wont change) realise it cannot stay like this, this problem will carry or, until another country decides theyve had enough and then maybe with two big countries leaving the idiots might wake up.

I fear the only way that will happen will be an attrocity on a scale above what weve seen in France, will be the only way that happens, unless the French make changes on a scale we saw with UKip in their elections.

[don4l]

Digga said:

don4l said:

The, rather sad, answer to your question is that I have spent the last few days touring first world war battlefields.

Nothing sad about that. The two world wars are something none of us should ever be allowed to forget.

I am hoping, on my way to or from the 'Ring, to call in and see the very field where my paternal grandfather was hit twice (well three times, if you count the bullet that shredded the book in his backpack) by German machine gun fire in WW1, aged 20. Half his regiment were wiped out in a day, most of the injuries and fatalities in the first hour of the advance. That he survived was a minor miracle, but without infection or amputation (he 'adopted' one of the nurses in the field hospital who persuaded the surgeon) is incredibly good fortune.

The ages on some of the headstones were quite shocking. One young lad, Joe Strudwick, was only 15.

The bit I've highlighted is precisely why I went.

[Short Grain]

JNW1 said:

I'm sure this is an over-simplistic view but if these people are non-EU nationals they're either refugees or economic migrants and surely that ought to be determined at the point at which they reach the EU? If they're economic migrants they just get refused entry, if they're genuine refugees they claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. Now I accept that approach would place considerable pressure on countries like Greece and Italy and it would be up to the EU to help resource any border control facilities; for genuine refugees I think it would also be up to all EU countries to take a fair share of those people as leaving the countries of entry to deal with them all would seem a tad unfair. However, just allowing thousands of economic migrants and refugees to trek across Europe to Calais - which is what we seem to have at the moment - surely can't be right?

Judging by the "hgvcop" account on Twitter they regularly immobilise Eastern European hauliers with £15-25k in unpaid fines to UK border force, I'd say they dish out plenty of fines. It's just that uk operators are the only ones daft enough to pay them...

Both of the above are relevant, EU allow them through, and the EU fine UK Companies when the illegals are found, and they are forced to pay whilst their EU counterparts give a shrug and ignore!!! No support for UK Transport Companies from CMD or May.

[Register1]

Perhaps we should consider extending the cliffs of Dover the full width of England's south coast.

[paulrockliffe]

Mrr T said:

Digga said:

irocfan said:

Puggit said:

Hollande wants to completely dismantle 'the Jungle'... Wants us to play our part, though...

http://news.sky.com/story/calais-camp-must-be-comp...

aaaaannnnnddddd here it is...

"....However, during a speech in Le Touquet last week, Mr Sarkozy said: "Those who are here in Calais and who want to cross to England should be processed in England by the English...."

I don't think he quite grasps what happened here in the UK in June that would make that a political impossibility.

I think you miss the point. What happened in June makes this far more likely.

But pretty much all of them, whether economic migrants or asylum seekers would be rejected by the UK and returned to France because they should have claimed asylum in France/Italy/Greece or have no right to enter the UK as economic migrants. All the while the ports would be gummed up as everything was checked to the nth degree at both sides of the channel.

That's precisely why Le Touquet exists and why the arrangement isn't going to change.

[audidoody]

I live in London and I have a deep yearning to emigrate to Australia. Could someone from the Australian embassy give me a call and book me a free ticket please.

[anonymous-user]

Lily Allen: 'I apologise on behalf of my country'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headline...

Techie Dave 'I apologise on behalf of my country for inflicting Lily Allens crap ditties on a wider worldwide audience. I am sorry'

[Cupramax]

Stupid cow, does she no comprehend she is in FRANCE and THEY have done nothing to help them. What goes on in another country due to their lack of borders is not our problem.

[irocfan]

techiedave said:

Lily Allen: 'I apologise on behalf of my country'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headline...

Techie Dave 'I apologise on behalf of my country for inflicting Lily Allens crap ditties on a wider worldwide audience. I am sorry'

of course she's going to use her, not inconsiderable, wealth to make life better for refugees?

[Laurel Green]

I'd like to apologise to my country for having the likes of Lily Allen in it.

[s3fella]

techiedave said:

Lily Allen: 'I apologise on behalf of my country'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headline...

Techie Dave 'I apologise on behalf of my country for inflicting Lily Allens crap ditties on a wider worldwide audience. I am sorry'

Ignore her, she knows absolutely fk all about fk all. Trivial bint

[dandarez]

Lily Allen says she would ONE HUNDRED PER CENT! take in an unaccompanied child after Calais camp visit.

Above captured for posterity.

Is this is the same silly ****** that has had drink and drugs problems and says she wouldn't prevent her kids taking drugs when they grow up?

Her kids are what, 2 and a 1 year old?

Await the welcoming of the Calais child into her 'typical' modern family home.

Well, 'everyone's at it'... ie celebs jumping on the Calais showbiz bandwagon.

[Biker 1]

Cupramax said:

Stupid cow, does she no comprehend she is in FRANCE and THEY have done nothing to help them. What goes on in another country due to their lack of borders is not our problem.

I'm genuinely shocked the media have even given airtime to this st.
What the hell is the silly cow getting involved in this for?

[dandarez]

Biker 1 said:

Cupramax said:

Stupid cow, does she no comprehend she is in FRANCE and THEY have done nothing to help them. What goes on in another country due to their lack of borders is not our problem.

I'm genuinely shocked the media have even given airtime to this st.
What the hell is the silly cow getting involved in this for?

The 'media' (well, some) are part of the 'luvvie' brigade.

Sadly!