More fun and games in Calais
Discussion
king Vindaloo song, is that the official anthem for English racists or what?
techiedave said:
Has she not got a house in France? Couldn't she afford one to house some of these children?
Jimboka said:
audidoody said:
I live in London and I have a deep yearning to emigrate to Australia. Could someone from the Australian embassy give me a call and book me a free ticket please.
Why?JNW1 said:
I'm sure this is an over-simplistic view but if these people are non-EU nationals they're either refugees or economic migrants and surely that ought to be determined at the point at which they reach the EU? If they're economic migrants they just get refused entry, if they're genuine refugees they claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. Now I accept that approach would place considerable pressure on countries like Greece and Italy and it would be up to the EU to help resource any border control facilities; for genuine refugees I think it would also be up to all EU countries to take a fair share of those people as leaving the countries of entry to deal with them all would seem a tad unfair. However, just allowing thousands of economic migrants and refugees to trek across Europe to Calais - which is what we seem to have at the moment - surely can't be right?
I think it is a little over-simplified.The refugees in Calais should, if they followed the "rules", have registered in their EU land of arrival. However, they want to get to UK which is, among other things, a) seen as an easy target to get work (no ID cards etc) and b) many already have relatives tere.
The French have regularly tried to force the refugees in Calais to register, even by coercion, but they refuse, disappear and then rejoin the Calais camp in the hope of still getting to the UK.
The camp has been forcefully cleared on at least one occasion, only for it to rise out of the ashes again.
The French are hardly happy about having this blight on their doorstep either, but resolving it is no easy matter.
s3fella said:
ezi said:
How do you deport someone with no papers to say where they are from?
They will have to declare it if they wish to claim asylum. If not, they can stay locked up. Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
monamimate said:
s3fella said:
ezi said:
How do you deport someone with no papers to say where they are from?
They will have to declare it if they wish to claim asylum. If not, they can stay locked up. Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
Digga said:
monamimate said:
The French are hardly happy about having this blight on their doorstep either, but resolving it is no easy matter.
The locals perhaps, but to the likes of Sarkozy it is a useful level to pull, both domestically and externally with the UK and EU.The reason they are there is (I'm simplifying here and below) because the refugees themselves have refused the help of the French authorities (by rejecting asylum there).
The refugees want to get to England because they perceive (rightly or wrongly) that the UK is a soft target.
So maybe it is good that the UK comes under pressure to examine why it is seen as a soft target.
France is therefore lumbered with this problem, and it rightly would appreciate some assistance from the UK to resolve it.
From France's point of view, the Brits are just sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it's not their problem.
Mr Snrub said:
monamimate said:
s3fella said:
ezi said:
How do you deport someone with no papers to say where they are from?
They will have to declare it if they wish to claim asylum. If not, they can stay locked up. Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
monamimate said:
Digga said:
monamimate said:
The French are hardly happy about having this blight on their doorstep either, but resolving it is no easy matter.
The locals perhaps, but to the likes of Sarkozy it is a useful level to pull, both domestically and externally with the UK and EU.The reason they are there is (I'm simplifying here and below) because the refugees themselves have refused the help of the French authorities (by rejecting asylum there).
The refugees want to get to England because they perceive (rightly or wrongly) that the UK is a soft target.
So maybe it is good that the UK comes under pressure to examine why it is seen as a soft target.
France is therefore lumbered with this problem, and it rightly would appreciate some assistance from the UK to resolve it.
From France's point of view, the Brits are just sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it's not their problem.
'Young male migrants, economic' is a far more accurate description of the vast majority.
Do these look like refugees, or more to the point, act like refugees?
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hungarian+lorr...
And how one of 'our' luvvie scum gutter press, the Independent, takes a 25 second clip from that 15 mins video to turn it into their own agenda, making it look as if it is a demented lorry driver trying to kill refugees!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vid...
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