More fun and games in Calais
Discussion
monamimate said:
From France's point of view, the Brits are just sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it's not their problem.
To an extent, it is a problem symptomatic of the EU. Since these people are 'in' the EU and not being deported, we're forced into a situation - because the EU will not allow us to amend and differentiate our work, welfare and benefit offer to immigrants, as opposed to residents - where there is no way of controlling the (inevitable) flow towards the UK. Not saying all want to reach the UK, but huge,. huge numbers do and there's no plan to manage this.Digga said:
monamimate said:
From France's point of view, the Brits are just sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it's not their problem.
To an extent, it is a problem symptomatic of the EU. Since these people are 'in' the EU and not being deported, we're forced into a situation - because the EU will not allow us to amend and differentiate our work, welfare and benefit offer to immigrants, as opposed to residents - where there is no way of controlling the (inevitable) flow towards the UK. Not saying all want to reach the UK, but huge,. huge numbers do and there's no plan to manage this.Precisely one of the reasons for the influx, is that the UK does NOT have the same laws.
Most obvious example: no ID card.
Nowhere is it so easy to disguise your identity as in the UK. In France, Belgium etc, we have ID cards, which we are obliged to carry at all times. Makes it much more difficult to get under the radar, which is apparently oh so easy in the UK.
Re the "huge huge" numbers - I don't think that is correct either. Austria (a tiny country compared to UK) alone took in 200,000 refugees, making the numbers in Calais look pretty small.
dandarez said:
'Refugees' are they?
'Young male migrants, economic' is a far more accurate description of the vast majority.
Do these look like refugees, or more to the point, act like refugees?
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hungarian+lorr...
And how one of 'our' luvvie scum gutter press, the Independent, takes a 25 second clip from that 15 mins video to turn it into their own agenda, making it look as if it is a demented lorry driver trying to kill refugees!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vid...
I was discussing process and procedures.'Young male migrants, economic' is a far more accurate description of the vast majority.
Do these look like refugees, or more to the point, act like refugees?
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=hungarian+lorr...
And how one of 'our' luvvie scum gutter press, the Independent, takes a 25 second clip from that 15 mins video to turn it into their own agenda, making it look as if it is a demented lorry driver trying to kill refugees!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vid...
Whether they are refugees or migrants makes little difference to the practicalities of managing or resolving Calais.
Digga said:
monamimate said:
From France's point of view, the Brits are just sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it's not their problem.
To an extent, it is a problem symptomatic of the EU. Since these people are 'in' the EU and not being deported, we're forced into a situation - because the EU will not allow us to amend and differentiate our work, welfare and benefit offer to immigrants, as opposed to residents - where there is no way of controlling the (inevitable) flow towards the UK. Not saying all want to reach the UK, but huge,. huge numbers do and there's no plan to manage this.You do realise the irregular immigrants in Calais are not EU citizens so any agreements on EU FOML do not apply to them.
Mrr T said:
Digga said:
monamimate said:
From France's point of view, the Brits are just sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it's not their problem.
To an extent, it is a problem symptomatic of the EU. Since these people are 'in' the EU and not being deported, we're forced into a situation - because the EU will not allow us to amend and differentiate our work, welfare and benefit offer to immigrants, as opposed to residents - where there is no way of controlling the (inevitable) flow towards the UK. Not saying all want to reach the UK, but huge,. huge numbers do and there's no plan to manage this.You do realise the irregular immigrants in Calais are not EU citizens so any agreements on EU FOML do not apply to them.
Good post dandarez every one needs to know what these scumbags are really like.
I,m all for the uk going over to Calais and help the French, should take no more than half an hour to find there are no escapees from war there and send them the f
k out of the whole of Europe.
We hear very little here in the uk of the massive problems that they have with these aggressive people in France ,Germany and especially Italy. I hate to imagine whats going on in Greece .
I,m all for the uk going over to Calais and help the French, should take no more than half an hour to find there are no escapees from war there and send them the f
k out of the whole of Europe.We hear very little here in the uk of the massive problems that they have with these aggressive people in France ,Germany and especially Italy. I hate to imagine whats going on in Greece .
Digga said:
Mrr T said:
Digga said:
monamimate said:
From France's point of view, the Brits are just sticking their heads in the sand and pretending it's not their problem.
To an extent, it is a problem symptomatic of the EU. Since these people are 'in' the EU and not being deported, we're forced into a situation - because the EU will not allow us to amend and differentiate our work, welfare and benefit offer to immigrants, as opposed to residents - where there is no way of controlling the (inevitable) flow towards the UK. Not saying all want to reach the UK, but huge,. huge numbers do and there's no plan to manage this.You do realise the irregular immigrants in Calais are not EU citizens so any agreements on EU FOML do not apply to them.
I would doubt its much to do with how we treat EU job seekers who can only claim job seekers allowance after 3 months and have no rights, until they work, for any out benefits or any access to social housing.
Mrr T said:
Its one of the questions I always ask and never seem to get an answer to is why do irregular immigrants want to come to the UK.
I would doubt its much to do with how we treat EU job seekers who can only claim job seekers allowance after 3 months and have no rights, until they work, for any out benefits or any access to social housing.
one big draw is the language obviously (it's sure as sI would doubt its much to do with how we treat EU job seekers who can only claim job seekers allowance after 3 months and have no rights, until they work, for any out benefits or any access to social housing.
t not the weather), I suspect another big draw is the ability to 'disappear' from official sight...irocfan said:
Mrr T said:
Its one of the questions I always ask and never seem to get an answer to is why do irregular immigrants want to come to the UK.
I would doubt its much to do with how we treat EU job seekers who can only claim job seekers allowance after 3 months and have no rights, until they work, for any out benefits or any access to social housing.
one big draw is the language obviously (it's sure as sI would doubt its much to do with how we treat EU job seekers who can only claim job seekers allowance after 3 months and have no rights, until they work, for any out benefits or any access to social housing.
t not the weather), I suspect another big draw is the ability to 'disappear' from official sight...No ID cards, booming black market job and housing market. Sort that out and the rest will fall into place.
PositronicRay said:
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No ID cards, booming black market job and housing market. Sort that out and the rest will fall into place.
Plus of course, minimum wage (Romania, 275 Euro per month, uk 1.270 euro per month at 1.1 Euro to the £) and benefits for the kids back home.No ID cards, booming black market job and housing market. Sort that out and the rest will fall into place.
eldar said:
PositronicRay said:
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No ID cards, booming black market job and housing market. Sort that out and the rest will fall into place.
Plus of course, minimum wage (Romania, 275 Euro per month, uk 1.270 euro per month at 1.1 Euro to the £) and benefits for the kids back home.No ID cards, booming black market job and housing market. Sort that out and the rest will fall into place.
monamimate said:
But the ones who need to be deported are the ones refusing to claim asylum, ergo, they will not have declared where they come from...!!
Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
Re read what I wrote. They go to detention camps, they have option to state country of origin in order to claim asylum, if they refuse to state country of origin, they cannot claim asylum and remain locked up. Pretty simple to me. Tell us who you are, where you're from and what you want, and we will consider it, if not, here is your cell and your basic rations, enjoy.Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
monamimate said:
I think you're missing a key step here - the people in Calais have yet to submit appeals etc - they are desperately and very deliberately avoiding the EU asylum procedures as they want to get to the UK.
Because the French don't have the balls to round them up and lock them up! Same as the Greeks didn't, the Italians didn't, etc. Whatever the merits of their claims and the truth behind their backstories, these people are a pain in the arse and an absolute blight on Calais. I'm astonished the locals have put up with it so long, from the there tey burn sheep from foreign trucks, and spray horst s
t on the mayors house, the seem to have lost all their cahoonas over this issue. And Frank H has got back off his hols, realises an election is looming so is talking big, but he has a needle dick and will do fk all. s3fella said:
monamimate said:
But the ones who need to be deported are the ones refusing to claim asylum, ergo, they will not have declared where they come from...!!
Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
Re read what I wrote. They go to detention camps, they have option to state country of origin in order to claim asylum, if they refuse to state country of origin, they cannot claim asylum and remain locked up. Pretty simple to me. Tell us who you are, where you're from and what you want, and we will consider it, if not, here is your cell and your basic rations, enjoy.Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
greygoose said:
s3fella said:
monamimate said:
But the ones who need to be deported are the ones refusing to claim asylum, ergo, they will not have declared where they come from...!!
Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
Re read what I wrote. They go to detention camps, they have option to state country of origin in order to claim asylum, if they refuse to state country of origin, they cannot claim asylum and remain locked up. Pretty simple to me. Tell us who you are, where you're from and what you want, and we will consider it, if not, here is your cell and your basic rations, enjoy.Many of the refugees in Calais have already been through this process, declined the kind offer of asylum, and escaped back to Calais
If the problem was so easy to solve, this thread wouldn't exist.
Remember, we are not talking about genuine refugees here, fleeing war torn nations, those guys claim genuine asylum. These are chancers out to get what they can for free. Any Genuine case would not be there.
s3fella said:
It will be costly, but how much has the Jungle cost them? How long do you think these chancers will put up with being locked up and controlled with no chance of illegally carrying on with their journey to the promised land? They will soon get pissed off and go home. And perhaps less will embark upon this journey to riches and stay where they are and make something out of their lives in their homeland.
Remember, we are not talking about genuine refugees here, fleeing war torn nations, those guys claim genuine asylum. These are chancers out to get what they can for free. Any Genuine case would not be there.
Most of the cost of the fences, police etc for the jungle is met by the UK government. i think you are naive if you think there are no genuine asylum seekers there, they just want to go to UK as better job prospects than much of Europe and chance of a better life compared to Italy/France etc.Remember, we are not talking about genuine refugees here, fleeing war torn nations, those guys claim genuine asylum. These are chancers out to get what they can for free. Any Genuine case would not be there.
greygoose said:
Most of the cost of the fences, police etc for the jungle is met by the UK government. i think you are naive if you think there are no genuine asylum seekers there, they just want to go to UK as better job prospects than much of Europe and chance of a better life compared to Italy/France etc.
But surely if they are just coming to the UK for better job prospects that makes them economic migrants, they are safe in France,Greece, Italy from whatever they were fleeing from.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff