More fun and games in Calais
Discussion
Wills2 said:
I saw would be migrants on the motorway not long after leaving the tunnel last week, it was a bit of a WTF moment.
Same here. Last year, we watched a lorry coming round a bend on a slip road near Calais - probably doing around 15/20 mph - and there were young lads chasing the lorry, presumably trying to jump on to it. What with the crappy traffic heading to both Dover and Calais and immigrants running around in the Autoroute, we decided to go Plymouth-Roscoff this year. Much more civilisedv8250 said:
This is 100% to do with the EU. It is/was the EU agreement of its commissioners and EU member state leaders who agreed to Shengen. This is from where and how Europe finds herself in this sttily difficult situation. If any of you do not understand the EU structure and who controls EU legislation you need to read...
http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm
and the disastrous Shengen Agreement brought into European Law
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri...
http://europe.newsweek.com/five-things-you-need-kn...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ref...
The sooner individual border controls are re-instated the better.
I know what Schengen is. I also know it had little to do with the crisis. Even before the agreement border controls within the EU where only on major roads. There where many minor roads where you could cross, and there was no barriers on the miles of countryside which make up the borders.http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm
and the disastrous Shengen Agreement brought into European Law
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri...
http://europe.newsweek.com/five-things-you-need-kn...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ref...
The sooner individual border controls are re-instated the better.
The EU internal borders are just to long to police. As for the Hungarian fence it's not going to be patrolled so one set of wire cutters and your across.
Edited by Mrr T on Monday 29th August 08:23
cymtriks said:
Digga said:
We want immigrants
Millions of people don't, who is this "we" that you refer to?Digga said:
we need immigrants,
What is this "need" that you refer to?These chumps working their way into the country by hook or by crook is not that however, and they should be arrested right away upon their illegal entry, if they don't comply regarding their country of origin so they can be deported they should be imprisoned, indefinitely or until they comply, in my opinion.
Of course a big hurdle will be finding them in the first place - how many simply vanish into the black market/economy? I would be willing to bet a fair number of them do.
FN2TypeR said:
cymtriks said:
Digga said:
We want immigrants
Millions of people don't, who is this "we" that you refer to?Digga said:
we need immigrants,
What is this "need" that you refer to?These chumps working their way into the country by hook or by crook is not that however, and they should be arrested right away upon their illegal entry, if they don't comply regarding their country of origin so they can be deported they should be imprisoned, indefinitely or until they comply, in my opinion.
Of course a big hurdle will be finding them in the first place - how many simply vanish into the black market/economy? I would be willing to bet a fair number of them do.
FN2TypeR said:
cymtriks said:
Digga said:
We want immigrants
Millions of people don't, who is this "we" that you refer to?Digga said:
we need immigrants,
What is this "need" that you refer to?These chumps working their way into the country by hook or by crook is not that however, and they should be arrested right away upon their illegal entry, if they don't comply regarding their country of origin so they can be deported they should be imprisoned, indefinitely or until they comply, in my opinion.
Of course a big hurdle will be finding them in the first place - how many simply vanish into the black market/economy? I would be willing to bet a fair number of them do.
northwest monkey said:
Wills2 said:
I saw would be migrants on the motorway not long after leaving the tunnel last week, it was a bit of a WTF moment.
Same here. Last year, we watched a lorry coming round a bend on a slip road near Calais - probably doing around 15/20 mph - and there were young lads chasing the lorry, presumably trying to jump on to it. What with the crappy traffic heading to both Dover and Calais and immigrants running around in the Autoroute, we decided to go Plymouth-Roscoff this year. Much more civilisedDigga said:
ou only need look at UK employment/unemployment figures to realise we still need (the right) immigrant talent.
Why?Because employment is at an all time high? Maybe trade some of that for real quality of life. The South East is becoming a congested st hole. Do we want to concrete over open spaces? Do we want landlords building structures in back gardens so a three bed semi can house twenty people
Indeed, where the f... are they all going to go? This constant barage in the media that we need immigration is not good. Do you ever look at the south east of the uk, roads in gridlock, schools and hospital bursting and say enough? Let alone are we building 300,000 homes a year? And i wouldnt be surprised if theres another 100k or so if not more that we dont know about. There seems to be an obsession that business growth and GDP usurps quality of life, think long and hard about that. Quality of life is seriously being erroded.
FN2TypeR said:
cymtriks said:
Digga said:
We want immigrants
Millions of people don't, who is this "we" that you refer to?Digga said:
we need immigrants,
What is this "need" that you refer to?These chumps working their way into the country by hook or by crook is not that however, and they should be arrested right away upon their illegal entry, if they don't comply regarding their country of origin so they can be deported they should be imprisoned, indefinitely or until they comply, in my opinion.
Of course a big hurdle will be finding them in the first place - how many simply vanish into the black market/economy? I would be willing to bet a fair number of them do.
Digga said:
FN2TypeR said:
cymtriks said:
Digga said:
We want immigrants
Millions of people don't, who is this "we" that you refer to?Digga said:
we need immigrants,
What is this "need" that you refer to?These chumps working their way into the country by hook or by crook is not that however, and they should be arrested right away upon their illegal entry, if they don't comply regarding their country of origin so they can be deported they should be imprisoned, indefinitely or until they comply, in my opinion.
Of course a big hurdle will be finding them in the first place - how many simply vanish into the black market/economy? I would be willing to bet a fair number of them do.
v8250 said:
Mrr T said:
5. This is nothing to do with the EU.
This is 100% to do with the EU. It is/was the EU agreement of its commissioners and EU member state leaders who agreed to Shengen. This is from where and how Europe finds herself in this sttily difficult situation. If any of you do not understand the EU structure and who controls EU legislation you need to read...http://ec.europa.eu/about/index_en.htm
and the disastrous Shengen Agreement brought into European Law
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri...
http://europe.newsweek.com/five-things-you-need-kn...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ref...
The sooner individual border controls are re-instated the better.
You would think that Britain being an island and having the best border patrol in the world would somehow make drugs and guns hard to get in this country,importing child sex slaves and exporting stolen cars is clearly non existent here. Our border force is perfect, those pesky lazy europeans aint got a clue on what it means to be best at protecting borders
You seem very, very simple
BlackLabel said:
Can't say I blame them to be honest.Surely if the Italians want to run a ferry service for these refugees from Libya to the EU, it is their problem.
They should register them, and process their application for asylum, which would do away with having thousands of people in Calais living with no legal status.
They could be deemed Italian and then we have somewhere to deport them to.
They should register them, and process their application for asylum, which would do away with having thousands of people in Calais living with no legal status.
They could be deemed Italian and then we have somewhere to deport them to.
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