This feels very wrong, police action
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768 said:
La Liga said:
No, but it was the first example that came to my head that I'd even consider applying such a heavy-weight word.
Yeah, because of everything in this thread, it's the use of a word on the internet that needs flagging up as being heavy handed!AJS- said:
So let's just assume it was all perfectly correct as per our current legislation and then ask if that is in line with our ideas of justice? Try so far as is possible to take the individual and the cause out of the equation.
He displayed a flag saying showing his opposition to a terrorist organisation who have recently attacked the country hosting the tournament, at a football match.
Bedfordshire police decided this constitutes inciting racial or religious hatred and decide to ban him from attending football matches. A banning order which is still being appealed in the courts.
He is then allowed to attend a Luton game in Cambridge but subsequently told by police that he has to leave the city despite the management of the pub he was in saying he was not causing any problems and was welcome to stay.
Does this seem right?
It doesn't to me.
As for the apparent attitude of some here that Tommy Robinson is a nasty piece of work and wherever he goes trouble soon follows, well that's probably most alarming of all.
It's all well and good for a policeman to know who the trouble makers on his beat. He will prevent punch-ups and have a starting point for petty vandalism which is almost always correct.
When you try to apply this on a national scale it is totalitarianism.
Put as much time into digging into Tommy Robinson as you do into Islam and you'll soon come to the conclusion that in spite of saying the odd thing that is quite easy to agree with at face value, underneath it all he isn't a very nice piece of work.He displayed a flag saying showing his opposition to a terrorist organisation who have recently attacked the country hosting the tournament, at a football match.
Bedfordshire police decided this constitutes inciting racial or religious hatred and decide to ban him from attending football matches. A banning order which is still being appealed in the courts.
He is then allowed to attend a Luton game in Cambridge but subsequently told by police that he has to leave the city despite the management of the pub he was in saying he was not causing any problems and was welcome to stay.
Does this seem right?
It doesn't to me.
As for the apparent attitude of some here that Tommy Robinson is a nasty piece of work and wherever he goes trouble soon follows, well that's probably most alarming of all.
It's all well and good for a policeman to know who the trouble makers on his beat. He will prevent punch-ups and have a starting point for petty vandalism which is almost always correct.
When you try to apply this on a national scale it is totalitarianism.
I would say I'm surprised at the number posters defending him, but tbh I'm not any more.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Put as much time into digging into Tommy Robinson as you do into Islam and you'll soon come to the conclusion that in spite of saying the odd thing that is quite easy to agree with at face value, underneath it all he isn't a very nice piece of work.
I would say I'm surprised at the number posters defending him, but tbh I'm not any more.
It's not about whether he's a nice person or not.I would say I'm surprised at the number posters defending him, but tbh I'm not any more.
AJS- said:
It's not about whether he's a nice person or not.
Exactly, although it is about the likelihood of his presence being responsible for occurrences of unrest.Whilst the state ought not unduly restrict personal freedoms, they're also duty bound to protect society, which may sometimes take that effect. Whether this particular case was justified would depend on an objective view of the facts. I imagine the person involved is free to at least complain and ultimately launch proceedings against the Police, should he believe their powers were used unlawfully and he wishes to prove a point.
I think describing our country as a police state or totalitarian based upon a relatively one-sided article in Brietbart or whatever it's called might be a touch premature.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Put as much time into digging into Tommy Robinson as you do into Islam and you'll soon come to the conclusion that in spite of saying the odd thing that is quite easy to agree with at face value, underneath it all he isn't a very nice piece of work.
I would say I'm surprised at the number posters defending him, but tbh I'm not any more.
I don't think many people are defending him as much as wondering about the legality and morality of police tactics.I would say I'm surprised at the number posters defending him, but tbh I'm not any more.
As for the man, the impression I got was one of 'reformed racist', who was working with organisations like the Quilliam Foundation. I don't really know too much about the bloke, but begrudgingly admit that some of the issues raised by him and his like are, in fact, valid concerns. Not someone I'd want to be associated with, but at the same time, just because I don't like what people stand for, does not make everything they say wrong.
Digga said:
I don't think many people are defending him as much as wondering about the legality and morality of police tactics.
As for the man, the impression I got was one of 'reformed racist', who was working with organisations like the Quilliam Foundation. I don't really know too much about the bloke, but begrudgingly admit that some of the issues raised by him and his like are, in fact, valid concerns. Not someone I'd want to be associated with, but at the same time, just because I don't like what people stand for, does not make everything they say wrong.
People are reaching conclusions based on a 16 minute YouTube video. There are always three versions of everything and we know one (and probably not an entirely accurate one at that).As for the man, the impression I got was one of 'reformed racist', who was working with organisations like the Quilliam Foundation. I don't really know too much about the bloke, but begrudgingly admit that some of the issues raised by him and his like are, in fact, valid concerns. Not someone I'd want to be associated with, but at the same time, just because I don't like what people stand for, does not make everything they say wrong.
If he's subject to a banning order (and I know little about them) I would assume that the Police have plenty of powers they could choose to use but I'll let the resident Police here answer that one.
The "He wasn't doing anyone any harm" angle is laughable, should the Police let someone who's been disqualified from driving go home so long as they haven't caused any harm when they were caught out driving?
Also slightly ironic that the people want the Police to use their discretion but when they do all of a sudden "If he's done something wrong they should arrest him".
Digga said:
I don't think many people are defending him as much as wondering about the legality and morality of police tactics.
As for the man, the impression I got was one of 'reformed racist', who was working with organisations like the Quilliam Foundation. I don't really know too much about the bloke, but begrudgingly admit that some of the issues raised by him and his like are, in fact, valid concerns. Not someone I'd want to be associated with, but at the same time, just because I don't like what people stand for, does not make everything they say wrong.
LOL, seriously? If his name was Abu Mohammad Rollins, EU would be blamed for him even being here. As for the man, the impression I got was one of 'reformed racist', who was working with organisations like the Quilliam Foundation. I don't really know too much about the bloke, but begrudgingly admit that some of the issues raised by him and his like are, in fact, valid concerns. Not someone I'd want to be associated with, but at the same time, just because I don't like what people stand for, does not make everything they say wrong.
With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
Police actions were 100% imo, although we'll never know the real truth of their motivations or intelligence such is the nature of these things.
If a young black male or a bearded Asian in a dishdash were complaining about stop and search tactics of the police many of the EDL supporter types and freedom of expression people would defend them by saying it's just a pragmatic numbers and intelligence led decision which makes reasonable sense and these snowflakes should just face the reality and/or change their religion or dress code.
Wherever Tommy Robinson goes there is trouble, coincidence?
If a young black male or a bearded Asian in a dishdash were complaining about stop and search tactics of the police many of the EDL supporter types and freedom of expression people would defend them by saying it's just a pragmatic numbers and intelligence led decision which makes reasonable sense and these snowflakes should just face the reality and/or change their religion or dress code.
Wherever Tommy Robinson goes there is trouble, coincidence?
janesmith1950 said:
Exactly, although it is about the likelihood of his presence being responsible for occurrences of unrest.
Whilst the state ought not unduly restrict personal freedoms, they're also duty bound to protect society, which may sometimes take that effect. Whether this particular case was justified would depend on an objective view of the facts. I imagine the person involved is free to at least complain and ultimately launch proceedings against the Police, should he believe their powers were used unlawfully and he wishes to prove a point.
I think describing our country as a police state or totalitarian based upon a relatively one-sided article in Brietbart or whatever it's called might be a touch premature.
So if he got hit it would be his faultWhilst the state ought not unduly restrict personal freedoms, they're also duty bound to protect society, which may sometimes take that effect. Whether this particular case was justified would depend on an objective view of the facts. I imagine the person involved is free to at least complain and ultimately launch proceedings against the Police, should he believe their powers were used unlawfully and he wishes to prove a point.
I think describing our country as a police state or totalitarian based upon a relatively one-sided article in Brietbart or whatever it's called might be a touch premature.
I would like to hear your thoughts on short skirts and rape.
jjlynn27 said:
LOL, seriously? If his name was Abu Mohammad Rollins, EU would be blamed for him even being here.
With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
You're exactly like the panel in the clip someone posted a page or two back.With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
Where's the racism?
kurt535 said:
good grief....it amazes me how many covert supporters of this person there are on this site!
i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
I think you need to rethink your position too - in all honestly from what I've read of the man he seems like a scumbag of the highest order (ironically the same as scum like Choudry etc), however whether he is a scumbag or not is irrelevant to a degree policing of him must be done to the same standard as normal people. There can't be a rule for people we don't like and a rule for people we do.i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
jjlynn27 said:
LOL, seriously? If his name was Abu Mohammad Rollins, EU would be blamed for him even being here.
With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
so are you saying that racists can't reform?With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
irocfan said:
kurt535 said:
good grief....it amazes me how many covert supporters of this person there are on this site!
i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
I think you need to rethink your position too - in all honestly from what I've read of the man he seems like a scumbag of the highest order (ironically the same as scum like Choudry etc), however whether he is a scumbag or not is irrelevant to a degree policing of him must be done to the same standard as normal people. There can't be a rule for people we don't like and a rule for people we do.i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
jjlynn27 said:
LOL, seriously? If his name was Abu Mohammad Rollins, EU would be blamed for him even being here.
With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
so are you saying that racists can't reform?With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
As for reformed racists; in general, no, I don't believe that racists can reform. I'm sure that there would be few exceptions, but overall, no. As for Abu Tommy, chances of him reforming are about the same as for Choudry joining IDF.
jjlynn27 said:
irocfan said:
kurt535 said:
good grief....it amazes me how many covert supporters of this person there are on this site!
i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
I think you need to rethink your position too - in all honestly from what I've read of the man he seems like a scumbag of the highest order (ironically the same as scum like Choudry etc), however whether he is a scumbag or not is irrelevant to a degree policing of him must be done to the same standard as normal people. There can't be a rule for people we don't like and a rule for people we do.i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
jjlynn27 said:
LOL, seriously? If his name was Abu Mohammad Rollins, EU would be blamed for him even being here.
With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
so are you saying that racists can't reform?With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
As for reformed racists; in general, no, I don't believe that racists can reform. I'm sure that there would be few exceptions, but overall, no. As for Abu Tommy, chances of him reforming are about the same as for Choudry joining IDF.
jjlynn27 said:
irocfan said:
kurt535 said:
good grief....it amazes me how many covert supporters of this person there are on this site!
i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
I think you need to rethink your position too - in all honestly from what I've read of the man he seems like a scumbag of the highest order (ironically the same as scum like Choudry etc), however whether he is a scumbag or not is irrelevant to a degree policing of him must be done to the same standard as normal people. There can't be a rule for people we don't like and a rule for people we do.i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
jjlynn27 said:
LOL, seriously? If his name was Abu Mohammad Rollins, EU would be blamed for him even being here.
With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
so are you saying that racists can't reform?With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
As for reformed racists; in general, no, I don't believe that racists can reform. I'm sure that there would be few exceptions, but overall, no. As for Abu Tommy, chances of him reforming are about the same as for Choudry joining IDF.
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