This feels very wrong, police action
Discussion
Bill said:
I quite agree, and I think that's clouding your judgement.
A known football hooligan, with previous convictions for violence and a history of stirring up trouble got moved on by the police after his team's match was finished.
I suspect it happens regularly all over the country and couldn't give two s
ts.
It does, on every match day.A known football hooligan, with previous convictions for violence and a history of stirring up trouble got moved on by the police after his team's match was finished.
I suspect it happens regularly all over the country and couldn't give two s
ts. bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I would say I'm surprised at the number posters defending him, but tbh I'm not any more.
I don't think that anyone is defending him.Some of us are surprised that the Police can force someone to leave a town without judicial oversight. That is not how justice should operate.
The whole thing reminds me of an episode of The Professionals:
http://www.mark-1.co.uk/Professionals/b05.htm
http://www.mark-1.co.uk/Professionals/b05.htm
don4l said:
Some of us are surprised that the Police can force someone to leave a town without judicial oversight. That is not how justice should operate.
Why would that be a surprise? Nearly every police action (application of the law) doesn't have judicial oversight prior to or at the time of the action being taken. Alex said:
how . . . biased and politically correct the police really are.
It would certainly be a strange occurrence to find senior politicians, a PM even, being driven around in sloganised police vehicles for the purpose of electioneering.It's got to be unlikely in the UK though.
2005 General Election coverage in the Evening Standard said:
Tony Blair is being driven around during the campaign in police vehicles bearing the slogans "Vote Labour" and "Britain Forward Not Back". Two vehicles owned by the Met have been resprayed with the logos. Today critics claimed the police service was becoming increasingly politicised and demanded the slogans be removed.
Likewise on the p-c front, the chances of a person being harassed by the police for lawful comments on a radio phone-in prog are remote. Their resources are too stretched for starters and the idea of thought police in the UK is too far-fetched.Cambridge Evening News Article said:
An author has defended her right to free speech after expressing her views on gay adoption.
After the broadcast, police in London received a complaint from a member of the public, and a policewoman contacted Mrs Burrows.
Mrs Burrows said: "She said to me a homophobic incident had been registered against me. She admitted it wasn't against the law so I said 'why are you wasting my time?'
And the police's.After the broadcast, police in London received a complaint from a member of the public, and a policewoman contacted Mrs Burrows.
Mrs Burrows said: "She said to me a homophobic incident had been registered against me. She admitted it wasn't against the law so I said 'why are you wasting my time?'
Alex said:
It's outrageous. Read Tommy Robinson's book "Enemy of the State" to discover how corrupt, biased and politically correct the police really are.
When I want to see as unbiased opinion about police the first thing that any normal person would do is read the book from convicted, seasoned criminal. irocfan said:
jjlynn27 said:
irocfan said:
kurt535 said:
good grief....it amazes me how many covert supporters of this person there are on this site!
i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
I think you need to rethink your position too - in all honestly from what I've read of the man he seems like a scumbag of the highest order (ironically the same as scum like Choudry etc), however whether he is a scumbag or not is irrelevant to a degree policing of him must be done to the same standard as normal people. There can't be a rule for people we don't like and a rule for people we do.i think piston heads might consider changing its name to 'rightwing heads' before much longer
jjlynn27 said:
LOL, seriously? If his name was Abu Mohammad Rollins, EU would be blamed for him even being here.
With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
so are you saying that racists can't reform?With Farage taking time off to concentrate on his moustaches and to see if there is any gravy train boarding in states, bigots need new Messiah.
'Reformed racist' bwahahaahaha.
As for reformed racists; in general, no, I don't believe that racists can reform. I'm sure that there would be few exceptions, but overall, no. As for Abu Tommy, chances of him reforming are about the same as for Choudry joining IDF.
As I said, I'm sure that there are terrorists, racists and equally unsavoury characters who will renounce their views. I'm not sure that that equals to reformed <insert your baddy of choice here>. I don't believe that Abu Tommy can reform any more than I can believe that Choudry can reform. Both are very damaged specimens and world would be better place without either (hopefully both) of them.
jjlynn27 said:
Alex said:
It's outrageous. Read Tommy Robinson's book "Enemy of the State" to discover how corrupt, biased and politically correct the police really are.
When I want to see as unbiased opinion about police the first thing that any normal person would do is read the book from convicted, seasoned criminal. That is the same thing isn't it?
Well I’ll say something. It’s got me agreeing with La Liga.
So much so I might take him a bag of doughnuts.
Mr Robinson exploits things. I firmly believe he knew he was in the wrong. I cant say I disagree with everything he says in fact I actually agree with some of it. He however knows what ropes to bend what bands to stretch. He was just caught out this time.
So much so I might take him a bag of doughnuts.
Mr Robinson exploits things. I firmly believe he knew he was in the wrong. I cant say I disagree with everything he says in fact I actually agree with some of it. He however knows what ropes to bend what bands to stretch. He was just caught out this time.
Digga said:
I don't think many people are defending him as much as wondering about the legality and morality of police tactics.
As for the man, the impression I got was one of 'reformed racist', who was working with organisations like the Quilliam Foundation. I don't really know too much about the bloke, but begrudgingly admit that some of the issues raised by him and his like are, in fact, valid concerns. Not someone I'd want to be associated with, but at the same time, just because I don't like what people stand for, does not make everything they say wrong.
God knows what was going on between him and Quilliam. It appears that each party tried to use the other. Quilliam wanted a good new story and Robinson wanted to be washed clean of the EDL. He has since stated that he only went along with them because he was paid.As for the man, the impression I got was one of 'reformed racist', who was working with organisations like the Quilliam Foundation. I don't really know too much about the bloke, but begrudgingly admit that some of the issues raised by him and his like are, in fact, valid concerns. Not someone I'd want to be associated with, but at the same time, just because I don't like what people stand for, does not make everything they say wrong.
He is not reformed in any way.
jjlynn27 said:
I'm not sure how what someone else thinks is relevant to my opinion, but ok.
As I said, I'm sure that there are terrorists, racists and equally unsavoury characters who will renounce their views. I'm not sure that that equals to reformed <insert your baddy of choice here>. I don't believe that Abu Tommy can reform any more than I can believe that Choudry can reform. Both are very damaged specimens and world would be better place without either (hopefully both) of them.
believe it or not we're actually broadly in agreement As I said, I'm sure that there are terrorists, racists and equally unsavoury characters who will renounce their views. I'm not sure that that equals to reformed <insert your baddy of choice here>. I don't believe that Abu Tommy can reform any more than I can believe that Choudry can reform. Both are very damaged specimens and world would be better place without either (hopefully both) of them.
Elysium said:
Now imagine someone in Saudi Arabia putting together such a list of crimes by only Christian people, with the sole purpose of conflating their actions, with the principles of the Christian religion.
This is not totalitarianism. He has brought this on himself, deliberately sought it out in fact, so that he can fuel his crusade with indignation.
I would be interested to see this catalogue of crimes committed by Christians and how it relates to their religion. This is not totalitarianism. He has brought this on himself, deliberately sought it out in fact, so that he can fuel his crusade with indignation.
It could cite the scores of deadly terror attacks committed daily by Christians shouting "Jesus saves." Or the systematic violent persecution of women and minorities living in majority Christian countries and show how this follows the example set by Jesus. Oflr the fundamentalist Christian groups who use brutality every bit as vile as ISIS to bring about a global Christian government ready for the end times.
At least it could if any of these things existed.
Why do you feel these crimes are unrelated to the religion?
Tommy Robinson recognises that Islam has a problem and is a problem. He hasn't and doesn't always express this in the most palatable way and he is not squeaky clean himself. I don't know of anything racist that he has ever said but even if he has it doesn't mean he is wrong about Islam. I can't guarantee that he is not a habitual hooligan who causes trouble everywhere he goes as a matter of course but then if he was I would think it would be easy enough and more effective to give him an appropriate sentence for this than arbitrarily running him out of town.
As for the authorities attitude to discussing this problem, the American academic Robert Spencer discusses it very eloquently and without saying innit once. He was refused entry to the UK by Theresa May when she was Home Secretary. Dutch politician Geert Wilders was also refused entry and actually deported in 2009. Though this was later overturned.
So yes I believe they would rather t simply wasn't discussed, and will go to great lengths to attempt to stop it.
AJS- said:
Elysium said:
Now imagine someone in Saudi Arabia putting together such a list of crimes by only Christian people, with the sole purpose of conflating their actions, with the principles of the Christian religion.
This is not totalitarianism. He has brought this on himself, deliberately sought it out in fact, so that he can fuel his crusade with indignation.
I would be interested to see this catalogue of crimes committed by Christians and how it relates to their religion. This is not totalitarianism. He has brought this on himself, deliberately sought it out in fact, so that he can fuel his crusade with indignation.
It could cite the scores of deadly terror attacks committed daily by Christians shouting "Jesus saves." Or the systematic violent persecution of women and minorities living in majority Christian countries and show how this follows the example set by Jesus. Oflr the fundamentalist Christian groups who use brutality every bit as vile as ISIS to bring about a global Christian government ready for the end times.
At least it could if any of these things existed.
Why do you feel these crimes are unrelated to the religion?
Tommy Robinson recognises that Islam has a problem and is a problem. He hasn't and doesn't always express this in the most palatable way and he is not squeaky clean himself. I don't know of anything racist that he has ever said but even if he has it doesn't mean he is wrong about Islam. I can't guarantee that he is not a habitual hooligan who causes trouble everywhere he goes as a matter of course but then if he was I would think it would be easy enough and more effective to give him an appropriate sentence for this than arbitrarily running him out of town.
As for the authorities attitude to discussing this problem, the American academic Robert Spencer discusses it very eloquently and without saying innit once. He was refused entry to the UK by Theresa May when she was Home Secretary. Dutch politician Geert Wilders was also refused entry and actually deported in 2009. Though this was later overturned.
So yes I believe they would rather t simply wasn't discussed, and will go to great lengths to attempt to stop it.
So can someone enlighten me? What exactly puts Tommy Robinson in the same category as Anjem Choudary? Choudary supports ISIS and wants to overthrow the British government to replace it with an Islamist government and shariah law. He used his public platform to promote this.
Robinson is a loud mouth who acted up at football matches and bumped up his income on a mortgage app.
What am I missing?
Robinson is a loud mouth who acted up at football matches and bumped up his income on a mortgage app.
What am I missing?
rscott said:
And how is this discussion of Islam relevant to a convicted football hooligan being moved on from a pub? According to the police, his banning order was based on evidence compiled before he went to Euro 2016 so isn't related to his ISIS banner..
I'm not really discussing Islam except to answer Elysium's point and to highlight that the government appears to not want it discussed. AJS- said:
So can someone enlighten me? What exactly puts Tommy Robinson in the same category as Anjem Choudary? Choudary supports ISIS and wants to overthrow the British government to replace it with an Islamist government and shariah law. He used his public platform to promote this.
Robinson is a loud mouth who acted up at football matches and bumped up his income on a mortgage app.
What am I missing?
Indoctrination at university?Robinson is a loud mouth who acted up at football matches and bumped up his income on a mortgage app.
What am I missing?
I'm still waiting for where the racism comes into it,no-one seems to have an answer so deflects to past misdoings.
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