This feels very wrong, police action
Discussion
saaby93 said:
Bigends said:
I doubt that whether the cops on the video made the decision to enter and move him on by themselves bearing in mind that this would be potentially such a high profile incident. Matchday Police would have been fully aware he was at the event via usual match day intelligence. Hed have been tailed from the ground to the pub, and when they saw he wasnt leaving to go home immediately, match day commanders have probably got twitchy and ordered him to be moved on.
why tho?must be higher risk things going on unless theres something we dont know
Einion Yrth said:
La Liga said:
There couldn't possibly be any information missing or unknown aspects to this matter.
Of course there could, but that neither confirms nor denies the possibility of gobs
te heavy handed policing. It would be nice to be privy to the truth, but I never shall be.In fact I'd say there's a half decent chance he precipitated this deliberately. He's made previous complaints that he was with his kids when being served with previous orders in front of them.
In car terms this is like complaining that the police are heavy handed when they arrest you for driving when disqualified when you were just going for a "pleasant Sunday drive with the kids"
AJS- said:
The general campaign against Robinson is shocking and amounts to political persecution IMO.
His own account of it so don't expect total objectivity but fairly chilling reading nonetheless
http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/the-per...
I lost interest in his tale of persecution after reading the bit where he had to protest in a balaclava because there was a warrant out for his arrest. His own account of it so don't expect total objectivity but fairly chilling reading nonetheless
http://4freedoms.com/group/uk/forum/topics/the-per...
Poor little lamb.
Talksteer said:
He has a football banning order from numerous incidents of incitement to racial hatred. He violated the terms of it. The fact that he was with his kids and not doing anything naughty at the time is irrelevant.
In fact I'd say there's a half decent chance he precipitated this deliberately. He's made previous complaints that he was with his kids when being served with previous orders in front of them.
In car terms this is like complaining that the police are heavy handed when they arrest you for driving when disqualified when you were just going for a "pleasant Sunday drive with the kids"
That puts a different completion on it!In fact I'd say there's a half decent chance he precipitated this deliberately. He's made previous complaints that he was with his kids when being served with previous orders in front of them.
In car terms this is like complaining that the police are heavy handed when they arrest you for driving when disqualified when you were just going for a "pleasant Sunday drive with the kids"
desolate said:
Was he moved on under the football related legislation or for some other reason?
Either way, it appears that troubles loves him.
A section 35 dispersal notice was mentioned on that video - google says that comes under the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014. So I assume it can be used for a variety of reasons including football related violence.Either way, it appears that troubles loves him.
going against the majority here but the police are between a rock and a hard place, Mr Robinson is feeling the negative side to being a high profile football hooligan/EDL co founder/criminal/ general live wire
Yes he is in theory with his family who are somewhere in the pub and has less chance of kicking off but he is not with them at the time but instead with a few 'mates', i happen to be a football fan who enjoys it without all the violence and firms etc, for years English football fans have been associated with hooliganism and for years there has been a massive effort to try and eliminate football hooligans
Having met someone once who was convicted of football violence at a Oxford Utd game (someone ended up with a broken leg) the bans you receive are pretty strong. Aside from prison etc he had to hand his passport in everytime the Euros/World cup was on for the next 12 years, banned from certain town centres,pubs etc during and after certain matches. The video might seem very harsh but some of us enjoy the football without the nasty side
Yes he is in theory with his family who are somewhere in the pub and has less chance of kicking off but he is not with them at the time but instead with a few 'mates', i happen to be a football fan who enjoys it without all the violence and firms etc, for years English football fans have been associated with hooliganism and for years there has been a massive effort to try and eliminate football hooligans
Having met someone once who was convicted of football violence at a Oxford Utd game (someone ended up with a broken leg) the bans you receive are pretty strong. Aside from prison etc he had to hand his passport in everytime the Euros/World cup was on for the next 12 years, banned from certain town centres,pubs etc during and after certain matches. The video might seem very harsh but some of us enjoy the football without the nasty side
Iva Barchetta said:
I'd never heard of Tommy Robinson ,PEGIDA or Breitbart before this came up......
I had heard of the EDL.
+1, I had to Google it.I had heard of the EDL.
Having said that, the point was made earlier as to what occurred before the police arrived; I think the previous ten years (?) before the police arrived may have had something to do with their attendance at the party. Fly with the crows and you get shot with the crows, simples.
Also (it's the cynic in me), I wonder if Mr Robinson was completley astonished at the photo opportunity about to present itself at his pleasant family day out?
Convince me that both of the above aren't true and I'll agree that the police behaviour was an outrage.
Talksteer said:
Einion Yrth said:
La Liga said:
There couldn't possibly be any information missing or unknown aspects to this matter.
Of course there could, but that neither confirms nor denies the possibility of gobste heavy handed policing. It would be nice to be privy to the truth, but I never shall be.In fact I'd say there's a half decent chance he precipitated this deliberately. He's made previous complaints that he was with his kids when being served with previous orders in front of them.
In car terms this is like complaining that the police are heavy handed when they arrest you for driving when disqualified when you were just going for a "pleasant Sunday drive with the kids"
Elysium said:
I lost interest in his tale of persecution after reading the bit where he had to protest in a balaclava because there was a warrant out for his arrest.
Poor little lamb.
He's no poor little lamb at all and he's done some stupid stuff. But he is still apparently being targeted for who hr2is and what he says and thinks, not what he has done. That's dangerous for a supposedly free and democratic country whether you agree with him or not.Poor little lamb.
AJS- said:
He's no poor little lamb at all and he's done some stupid stuff. But he is still apparently being targeted for who hr2is and what he says and thinks, not what he has done. That's dangerous for a supposedly free and democratic country whether you agree with him or not.
In this instance is he getting targeted for being a convicted football hooligan?If so fair enough.
Either way he is a winner as it'stands nice publicity for his movemennt, which I hadn't heard of until now.
sidicks said:
Really?
In a supposedly free country, the police can target people based on indiscretions in the past, rather than current actions?
That doesn't seem right to me...
Someone above stated that he had a football banning order - not sure if that is true or not.In a supposedly free country, the police can target people based on indiscretions in the past, rather than current actions?
That doesn't seem right to me...
So if there is a law that allows the police to do what they did then f
k him, as he is an undoubted toolBut if it is harassment then it's out of order.
Will be interested to see what the police say and the result of any complaint.
Edited to add: given his profile it would have made sense for the police to just keep an eye on him rather than wade in - as he was probably after a reaction.
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