Notting Hill Carnival crime fest.
Discussion
jdw100 said:
Disastrous said:
jdw100 said:
So a few people get stabbed...
f
king bonkers."Yeah, so a few people get stabbed...where's the harm??"
Also, considering the volume of people there over the three days (c1,000,000) that's not too bad is it?
That's one million people days - look at the amount of injuries over one million people days of anything and you won't find this is any worse.
It should be banned because a few people got stabbed; okay well let's ban lots of stuff then where people get injured.
Just because a few low-life's get stabbed why should the 99.9% of people who took the time and effort to go there and didn't manage to stab each other be penalised?
Wrong place, wrong time. Oh, that almost never happens.
Smiler. said:
Astonishing. What if the stabee happened not to be a "low-life"?
Wrong place, wrong time. Oh, that almost never happens.
That's right - that almost never happens.Wrong place, wrong time. Oh, that almost never happens.
Or if you are that worried about it - don't go.
However the chances are so incredibly low (unless you are going looking for trouble) that it's hugely unlikely you'll get injured.
It's like being scared of flying for fear of dying in a plane crash but happily driving to the airport.
Also, every now and again some 'non low-life' might get hurt - that's life. I might get run over by a car tomorrow when I'm out running - I'll still go for a run.
As above though - very few injuries with 1m people days equivalent - look at stats for other activities and you'll find this is not bad. More likely to die going fishing or be injured riding a motorbike than you are at the NHC.
jdw100 said:
Smiler. said:
Astonishing. What if the stabee happened not to be a "low-life"?
Wrong place, wrong time. Oh, that almost never happens.
That's right - that almost never happens.Wrong place, wrong time. Oh, that almost never happens.
Or if you are that worried about it - don't go.
However the chances are so incredibly low (unless you are going looking for trouble) that it's hugely unlikely you'll get injured.
It's like being scared of flying for fear of dying in a plane crash but happily driving to the airport.
Also, every now and again some 'non low-life' might get hurt - that's life. I might get run over by a car tomorrow when I'm out running - I'll still go for a run.
As above though - very few injuries with 1m people days equivalent - look at stats for other activities and you'll find this is not bad. More likely to die going fishing or be injured riding a motorbike than you are at the NHC.
Well I've never been killed by electricity, so we don't really need all those pesky rules about wiring stuff up. Right?
Elroy Blue said:
It was such a benign environment, the Met Police Fed have asked for an urgent review. They must be just making it up.
Their fed have released a statement saying 47 assaults on officers with 8 being hospitalised. They also state officers have had to be given meds due to people spitting in their faces... lovely.What a charming community event.
Thankyou4calling said:
AC43 said:
Yes of course. People only get nicked for it if they are being particularly unsubtle, being provocative, being anti-social in some other way or dealing.
In that case then I feel the figures are massively skewed and not fit for use.If all the people smoking cannabis were arrested how many would the figure be?
5000, 50,000?
I guess it isn't possible to say but if people are allowed to break the law in full view of the police you can't use the arrest figures as a barometer of criminality.
jdw100 said:
Smiler. said:
Astonishing. What if the stabee happened not to be a "low-life"?
Wrong place, wrong time. Oh, that almost never happens.
That's right - that almost never happens.Wrong place, wrong time. Oh, that almost never happens.
Or if you are that worried about it - don't go.
However the chances are so incredibly low (unless you are going looking for trouble) that it's hugely unlikely you'll get injured.
It's like being scared of flying for fear of dying in a plane crash but happily driving to the airport.
Also, every now and again some 'non low-life' might get hurt - that's life. I might get run over by a car tomorrow when I'm out running - I'll still go for a run.
As above though - very few injuries with 1m people days equivalent - look at stats for other activities and you'll find this is not bad. More likely to die going fishing or be injured riding a motorbike than you are at the NHC.
No one was stabbed in the course of events and I went off to find a sound system playing happy house which was altogether better.
Greendubber said:
Elroy Blue said:
It was such a benign environment, the Met Police Fed have asked for an urgent review. They must be just making it up.
Their fed have released a statement saying 47 assaults on officers with 8 being hospitalised. They also state officers have had to be given meds due to people spitting in their faces... lovely.What a charming community event.
holes - this isn't unique to NHC, or London.Remember, "hospitalised" is only a count of people visiting hospital. Yes, of course it's unpleasant and unnecessary; but it could easily be for a check-up on a relatively minor injury. Given that the Met should be fairly 'belt and braces' about the injury protocol (i.e. anything more than a very minor injury should result in a hospital visit), that's not quite as bad as it sounds.
AC43 said:
Having a bifta beside a sound system is hardly the last word in criminality.
I understand that. I'm simply saying if the police are instructed not to arrest or caution people for smoking cannabis then the arrest figure isn't valid.The law is being changed for the event and I'd imagine it would be a very different figure, and a very different event if it weren't.
From a personal perspective i do know the area well, I used to work in Thorpe Close for 5 years so attended the carnival but it wasn't for me to be honest.
I wouldn't really describe it as a carnival.
C70R said:
Greendubber said:
Elroy Blue said:
It was such a benign environment, the Met Police Fed have asked for an urgent review. They must be just making it up.
Their fed have released a statement saying 47 assaults on officers with 8 being hospitalised. They also state officers have had to be given meds due to people spitting in their faces... lovely.What a charming community event.
holes - this isn't unique to NHC, or London.Remember, "hospitalised" is only a count of people visiting hospital. Yes, of course it's unpleasant and unnecessary; but it could easily be for a check-up on a relatively minor injury. Given that the Met should be fairly 'belt and braces' about the injury protocol (i.e. anything more than a very minor injury should result in a hospital visit), that's not quite as bad as it sounds.
Greendubber said:
C70R said:
Greendubber said:
Elroy Blue said:
It was such a benign environment, the Met Police Fed have asked for an urgent review. They must be just making it up.
Their fed have released a statement saying 47 assaults on officers with 8 being hospitalised. They also state officers have had to be given meds due to people spitting in their faces... lovely.What a charming community event.
holes - this isn't unique to NHC, or London.Remember, "hospitalised" is only a count of people visiting hospital. Yes, of course it's unpleasant and unnecessary; but it could easily be for a check-up on a relatively minor injury. Given that the Met should be fairly 'belt and braces' about the injury protocol (i.e. anything more than a very minor injury should result in a hospital visit), that's not quite as bad as it sounds.
andymc said:
Greendubber said:
C70R said:
Greendubber said:
Elroy Blue said:
It was such a benign environment, the Met Police Fed have asked for an urgent review. They must be just making it up.
Their fed have released a statement saying 47 assaults on officers with 8 being hospitalised. They also state officers have had to be given meds due to people spitting in their faces... lovely.What a charming community event.
holes - this isn't unique to NHC, or London.Remember, "hospitalised" is only a count of people visiting hospital. Yes, of course it's unpleasant and unnecessary; but it could easily be for a check-up on a relatively minor injury. Given that the Met should be fairly 'belt and braces' about the injury protocol (i.e. anything more than a very minor injury should result in a hospital visit), that's not quite as bad as it sounds.
andymc said:
Greendubber said:
C70R said:
Greendubber said:
Elroy Blue said:
It was such a benign environment, the Met Police Fed have asked for an urgent review. They must be just making it up.
Their fed have released a statement saying 47 assaults on officers with 8 being hospitalised. They also state officers have had to be given meds due to people spitting in their faces... lovely.What a charming community event.
holes - this isn't unique to NHC, or London.Remember, "hospitalised" is only a count of people visiting hospital. Yes, of course it's unpleasant and unnecessary; but it could easily be for a check-up on a relatively minor injury. Given that the Met should be fairly 'belt and braces' about the injury protocol (i.e. anything more than a very minor injury should result in a hospital visit), that's not quite as bad as it sounds.
However, the job they do comes with the inherent risk of injury. It always has done, and always will.
Meridius said:
To be fair there was more stabbings in Birmingham last week, one of which was a murder, as well as a couple of shootings and they dont even have a Carnival 
Hush. Don't you dare bring common sense into this conversation. We're busy demonising an event that most contributors have never been personally affected by. I live in Notting Hill, amongst all the closed off roads that the festival occupies.
I can quite honestly say it is a complete PITA, we stayed last year and vowed never again.
This year we spent the weekend with friends/family, returning at about 5pm on Monday (if you come later you have the stampede of people heading to the tube), and we still have to go to work the next day.
It took about 1.5 hours to walk home with what would take 5 minutes normally, and in the process got trampled on, pushed into fences and ‘rushed’.
So as a resident we have to leave our home for the weekend, move the cars away to a different area (of which most residents spaces were taken and people try to find somewhere, I ended up parking about 30 minutes away), leave the city and then get trampled on by wasted visitors upon our return, to the point where one guy was about to jump onto my girlfriend and I literally had to push him away with some force.
To make things worse, after about 30 minutes of pushing through crowds we got to our road to find it blocked off by a row of police, politely asking if we can make our way through as residents (pointing to our property, and holding proof that we live there i.e digital lease, bank statements) to be told no can do. Surely if this does need to continue, then residents can be let through to access their home. I understand the Police have a position to hold, but it is beyond aggravating, especially when you can see a clear path to your house and instead redirected through what can only be aligned to my perception of hell.
Instead, after being redirected around a massive loop, within 5 minutes I was slammed into a fence by people ‘rushing’ the crowds and spent the next hour fighting through mosh pits, drunken idiots and basically trampled on instead of cutting through in what would have taken minutes
The carnival is great in many respects, the colours, dance and vibrancy but it just becomes a free for all. Also why not just limit the carnival to food stalls near the canal, and the main carnival route. To then have massive speaker systems/areas placed around the area, just adds to the mayhem.
From my interactions with the police, they appeared just as fed up as me.
I can quite honestly say it is a complete PITA, we stayed last year and vowed never again.
This year we spent the weekend with friends/family, returning at about 5pm on Monday (if you come later you have the stampede of people heading to the tube), and we still have to go to work the next day.
It took about 1.5 hours to walk home with what would take 5 minutes normally, and in the process got trampled on, pushed into fences and ‘rushed’.
So as a resident we have to leave our home for the weekend, move the cars away to a different area (of which most residents spaces were taken and people try to find somewhere, I ended up parking about 30 minutes away), leave the city and then get trampled on by wasted visitors upon our return, to the point where one guy was about to jump onto my girlfriend and I literally had to push him away with some force.
To make things worse, after about 30 minutes of pushing through crowds we got to our road to find it blocked off by a row of police, politely asking if we can make our way through as residents (pointing to our property, and holding proof that we live there i.e digital lease, bank statements) to be told no can do. Surely if this does need to continue, then residents can be let through to access their home. I understand the Police have a position to hold, but it is beyond aggravating, especially when you can see a clear path to your house and instead redirected through what can only be aligned to my perception of hell.
Instead, after being redirected around a massive loop, within 5 minutes I was slammed into a fence by people ‘rushing’ the crowds and spent the next hour fighting through mosh pits, drunken idiots and basically trampled on instead of cutting through in what would have taken minutes
The carnival is great in many respects, the colours, dance and vibrancy but it just becomes a free for all. Also why not just limit the carnival to food stalls near the canal, and the main carnival route. To then have massive speaker systems/areas placed around the area, just adds to the mayhem.
From my interactions with the police, they appeared just as fed up as me.
C70R said:
Meridius said:
To be fair there was more stabbings in Birmingham last week, one of which was a murder, as well as a couple of shootings and they dont even have a Carnival
Hush. Don't you dare bring common sense into this conversation. We're busy demonising an event that most contributors have never been personally affected by. ks....Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff