Notting Hill Carnival crime fest.

[Elroy Blue]

105 arrests in 'families day'. Four serious stabbings. That's just scratching the surface. It's sucked up every Police resource, with many Officers having their few rest days cancelled (again).
Expected to be much worse today. Glastonbury is a tea party in comparison.

[basherX]

craigjm said:

Anyone who has moved to the area in the last 50 years is aware of the carnival and the issues it brings. It is not like it started last year and now everyone is shocked

Wasn't my point- my point was that the reported crime figures don't accurately reflect the full extent of the lawlessness.

[craigjm]

basherX said:

Wasn't my point- my point was that the reported crime figures don't accurately reflect the full extent of the lawlessness.

Have you ever been to Notting Hill? it isnt all pretty coloured Georgian Houses you know. Walk round the Winterbourne and Nottingwood estates after dark and the carnival will suddenly appear very law abiding. It is an area of the haves and have nots sitting very close together that many do not realise.

[HerrSchnell]

carreauchompeur said:

It's absolute bks. Any major 'cultural event' which requires routine boarding up of vast swathes of the town shouldn't be permitted.

The people of Atherstone, among others, may disagree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBc8jY99hgI

[R8Steve]

HerrSchnell said:

The people of Atherstone, among others, may disagree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBc8jY99hgI

Just looks like another load of people pointlessly fighting to me.

[basherX]

craigjm said:

basherX said:

Wasn't my point- my point was that the reported crime figures don't accurately reflect the full extent of the lawlessness.

Have you ever been to Notting Hill? it isnt all pretty coloured Georgian Houses you know. Walk round the Winterbourne and Nottingwood estates after dark and the carnival will suddenly appear very law abiding. It is an area of the haves and have nots sitting very close together that many do not realise.

I'm well aware, thank you.

[craigjm]

basherX said:

craigjm said:

basherX said:

Wasn't my point- my point was that the reported crime figures don't accurately reflect the full extent of the lawlessness.

Have you ever been to Notting Hill? it isnt all pretty coloured Georgian Houses you know. Walk round the Winterbourne and Nottingwood estates after dark and the carnival will suddenly appear very law abiding. It is an area of the haves and have nots sitting very close together that many do not realise.

I'm well aware, thank you.

In which case, why should the "lawlessness" of the carnival be a surprise to anyone?

[basherX]

craigjm said:

In which case, why should the "lawlessness" of the carnival be a surprise to anyone?

My original point was that it isn't a surprise to the residents (of which I was once one):

basherX said:

craigjm said:

100 arrests per day vs an attendance of around 1m people per day? hardly a crime fest.

Tell that to the residents. The police and thus the arrest statistics, understandably, only scratch the surface of the criminality.

But, hey ho, pissing contest is, as always here, pissing contest.

[Elroy Blue]

The final arrest total for just yesterday was 156. 88 so far today and another 26 knives seized. Crazy

[Einion Yrth]

Elroy Blue said:

The final arrest total for just yesterday was 156. 88 so far today and another 26 knives seized. Crazy

Just trying to get my mind behind this; any idea as to attendance figures? It's sort of important if I'm to try and judge the "criminality quotient" of the event. I do appreciate that if you're the people on the ground trying to police it, it's a tad less relevant.

[Elroy Blue]

Arrests won't reflect criminal offences. There simply isn't enough Officers to deal with them all.

[hajaba123]

Does anyone know if the tolerance to arrest is generally at a higher level on the ground? Ie people get away with things that they would be arrested for in a normal situation but a blind eye is turned because carnival?

[HerrSchnell]

Einion Yrth said:

Elroy Blue said:

The final arrest total for just yesterday was 156. 88 so far today and another 26 knives seized. Crazy

Just trying to get my mind behind this; any idea as to attendance figures? It's sort of important if I'm to try and judge the "criminality quotient" of the event. I do appreciate that if you're the people on the ground trying to police it, it's a tad less relevant.

Around 2 million people attended so 0.0078% of those people attending Carnival were arrested.

[HerrSchnell]

R8Steve said:

Just looks like another load of people pointlessly fighting to me.

It may shock you to learn this but, unlike the Atherstone Ball Game, fighting is not the primary activity conducted during Notting Hill Carnival.

[AC43]

craigjm said:

basherX said:

Tell that to the residents. The police and thus the arrest statistics, understandably, only scratch the surface of the criminality.

Anyone who has moved to the area in the last 50 years is aware of the carnival and the issues it brings. It is not like it started last year and now everyone is shocked

FFS every year we get the hysterical headlines.

Having lived beside, in the middle of and now a couple of miles north of the area for the last 27 years I can assure you all is good.

It's a massive symbol of multiculturalism and a fantastic party to boot.

Was down there yesterday (8 adults and 6 kids), had a right laugh and guess what - none of us got stabbed.

Same as for the previous 19 carnivals I've been to.

Brexit voters may disagree but I think it's fantastic.

[Einion Yrth]

AC43 said:

Brexit voters may disagree but I think it's fantastic.

You were doing well up to this point; now you just look like an idiot.

[dandarez]

My daughter said earlier in the year, about bank holiday and what to do? Hubby suggested taking their kids (2 girls nearly 3, and nearly 7) to Notting Hill Family Day and then stay in London for a few days, or if we can afford it, take them to Disneyland Paris, but with all the trouble in France we're thinking London?

No contest, I said, go to Paris! Been once to the 'carnival, once is enough I said, but up to you.

They're having a whale of a time. Guess where?

Not here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGSj0MGBctM

[AC43]

Einion Yrth said:

AC43 said:

Brexit voters may disagree but I think it's fantastic.

You were doing well up to this point; now you just look like an idiot.

Sorry, it just every year we get all this knee-jerk stuff and it's all a bit tiresome. I've been hearing it since 1989.

It tends to be from people who (i) have never been or (ii) have got a pile of cash and have just moved in and are trying to stop it.

None of whom seem to want to join in.

The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.

[Einion Yrth]

AC43 said:

The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.

Perhaps it shouldn't. If the 17.4 million of us were all racists then I think, as a nation, we'd be pretty well f'cked. Fortunately most of us had other reasons for voting leave. Note I'm not suggesting that no leave voters are racists, some surely are, but it's a much more complicated position than "all Brexit voters are racist", innit.

[Randy Winkman]

AC43 said:

Einion Yrth said:

AC43 said:

Brexit voters may disagree but I think it's fantastic.

You were doing well up to this point; now you just look like an idiot.

Sorry, it just every year we get all this knee-jerk stuff and it's all a bit tiresome. I've been hearing it since 1989.

It tends to be from people who (i) have never been or (ii) have got a pile of cash and have just moved in and are trying to stop it.

None of whom seem to want to join in.

The veiled racism in the previous threads just made me thing of Brexit voters.

Good post.