Jeremy Vine pushbike - incident
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I'm not sure what is worst:
- the woman's response to being held up
- the view that the cyclist should just brush it off and perpetuate that behaviour
- that one or more chronically sad w
kers decided to look up the car on askMID
Jeremy Vine makes my skin crawl but he had the balls to remonstrate with someone who should not be on the road. That is much more balls than the PHers who are suggesting that he should have ignored it to avoid a scene.
- the woman's response to being held up
- the view that the cyclist should just brush it off and perpetuate that behaviour
- that one or more chronically sad w
kers decided to look up the car on askMIDJeremy Vine makes my skin crawl but he had the balls to remonstrate with someone who should not be on the road. That is much more balls than the PHers who are suggesting that he should have ignored it to avoid a scene.
Rights and Wrongs can be argued all day. In the end, if you set yourself up as some kind of public avenger with a helmet full of cameras and dogged persistence on road dominance, you'll get targeted. He's mutely belligerent and rather stupid, being 'in the right' doesn't mend broken bones. Idiot. She should be cautioned for threatening behaviour and Excise avoidance.
Digga said:
saaby93 said:
Is that normal language in the city?
Someone else said about 2 eejerts meeting each other
I'm bookmarking the video and will play it to Mrs Digga next time she suggests a trip to the smoke.Someone else said about 2 eejerts meeting each other
I'd steer clear.
Thorodin said:
Rights and Wrongs can be argued all day. In the end, if you set yourself up as some kind of public avenger with a helmet full of cameras and dogged persistence on road dominance, you'll get targeted. He's mutely belligerent and rather stupid, being 'in the right' doesn't mend broken bones. Idiot. She should be cautioned for threatening behaviour and Excise avoidance.
Good summary.Thorodin said:
Rights and Wrongs can be argued all day. In the end, if yo8u set yourself up as some kind of public avenger with a helmet full of cameras and dogged persistence on road dominance, you'll get targeted. He's mutely belligerent and rather stupid, being 'in the right' doesn't mend broken bones. Idiot. She should be cautioned for threatening behaviour and Excise avoidance.
What do you thinkk came first, the near miss with a car and then he bought a camera....or the camera then the near miss? MarshPhantom said:
C70R said:
rich85uk said:
He was cycling rather slowly and the roads in front of him were clear, those stuck behind would of been able to drive at 20-30mph
This is the kind of unobservant bks that seems to pervade these cyclist/driver arguments.He was cycling on a narrow street in a residential area, with parked cars on both sides.
He was approaching a queue of cars at a traffic light.
Only a complete moron would need to (try to) drive at 30mph in those circumstances. Only the hard-of-thinking would hustle their way past a bike in London - 99% of the time you'll end up sitting in a queue of traffic up the road while the cyclist slowly filters past again.
London is not the place to try and constantly drive at the speed limit. London is not the place to be in a hurry in a car.
So much anger. So you're saying there's no point bikes letting cars passed as they will only hit a traffic jam ahead?
I drive in London very regularly and believe it or not it isn't gridlock out there.
Vine is a prick, why should he be any different when riding his bike?
What percentage of London's cycle deaths are caused by car drivers?
If you'd care to put down your stressball, you'd realise I said that uin the video example, as in many cases in London, particularly where lanes widths and make it difficult to pass cyclists safely/easily, it's just not worth the effort and stress of trying to squeeze past.
Invariably, when driving anywhere near the middle of town or at any time around rush hours, you'll see the same cyclist you just overtook filter past you the next time you stop.
It might surprise you, but I'm saying this from the position of someone who lives in, owns a car in, and regularly drives in Central London.
This isn't some kind of anti-car rant - it's an anti-idiot rant. Idiots make the roads miserable for us all, cyclists and drivers alike.
heebeegeetee said:
But do you and Rich85 know about the door zone thing? You know that drivers ir car occupants are likely to open doors on cyclists without warning?
It seems like there are some who think Vine is holding the middle of the road for fun, but he's just taking the recommended action for protection against fkwits.
Indeed. I've a lovely scar on my knee from the time an Italian tourist decided to swing the door of her taxi open INTO MOVING TRAFFIC. Thankfully I was going relatively slowly, but it was still a hard enough impact to see me sprawling on the floor (and nearly under the car behind me).It seems like there are some who think Vine is holding the middle of the road for fun, but he's just taking the recommended action for protection against f
kwits. I got up ready to give her a piece of my mind, but the vacant, gormless look I got back made me think better of wasting my breath.
They walk among us, everyone. Cycle safely, and give parked cars a wide berth.
For anyone wanting to look at it on google maps, i think the incident seems to start on Hornton street, with Holland Street being the road she comes out of to turn left.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5026748,-0.19486...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5026748,-0.19486...
MarshPhantom said:
So much anger. So you're saying there's no point bikes letting cars passed as they will only hit a traffic jam ahead?
I drive in London very regularly and believe it or not it isn't gridlock out there.
Vine is a prick, why should he be any different when riding his bike?
What percentage of London's cycle deaths are caused by car drivers?
I have no idea whether Vine is nice, a prick, or otherwise.
AC43 said:
Thorodin said:
Rights and Wrongs can be argued all day. In the end, if you set yourself up as some kind of public avenger with a helmet full of cameras and dogged persistence on road dominance, you'll get targeted. He's mutely belligerent and rather stupid, being 'in the right' doesn't mend broken bones. Idiot. She should be cautioned for threatening behaviour and Excise avoidance.
Good summary.ks! The ignorance on this, a supposed car enthusiasts site (implying that we might drive better than the average)."Dooring is remarkably common" http://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/the-law-for-...
Its why I won't cycle in the UK, because of w
kers like you two and this woman, because you just can't win. The allowing of cars to be parked on both sides of the street means other road users are brought into direct conflict with each other (as the vid shows) and leaves the vulnerable road users with the choice of riding in the door zone or risking the wrath of those who know little about driving. Like you two.yellowjack said:
I hadn't expected anyone to catch up to me, because I was (entirely legally) doing 38mph on a road limited to 30mph (for motor vehicles).
Be careful!...'Cyclists who breach the speed limit may not be prosecuted for a speeding offence but they can, however, be prosecuted for “cycling furiously” or “wanton and furious cycling.'
heebeegeetee said:
AC43 said:
Thorodin said:
Rights and Wrongs can be argued all day. In the end, if you set yourself up as some kind of public avenger with a helmet full of cameras and dogged persistence on road dominance, you'll get targeted. He's mutely belligerent and rather stupid, being 'in the right' doesn't mend broken bones. Idiot. She should be cautioned for threatening behaviour and Excise avoidance.
Good summary.ks! The ignorance on this, a supposed car enthusiasts site (implying that we might drive better than the average)."Dooring is remarkably common" http://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/the-law-for-...
Its why I won't cycle in the UK, because of w
kers like you two and this woman, because you just can't win. The allowing of cars to be parked on both sides of the street means other road users are brought into direct conflict with each other (as the vid shows) and leaves the vulnerable road users with the choice of riding in the door zone or risking the wrath of those who know little about driving. Like you two.I've been tailgated by stupid people like that and have shown them the bird, given them some verbal, occasionally slowed down a bit to make my point.
But I have never come over all cycle vigilante like Vine does there. He appears to really want to have that argument. Apologies if my dislike of his Brass Eye-like TV persona is colouring my interpretation of what's going on there but he does come across as more than a little sanctimonious and pompous.
There's no point in arguing with numpties like that Corsa-on-finance-with-no-tax woman. They just drag you down to their level.
ambuletz said:
For anyone wanting to look at it on google maps, i think the incident seems to start on Hornton street, with Holland Street being the road she comes out of to turn left.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5026748,-0.19486...
And this is what she was in a hurry to get to. Gridlock...https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5026748,-0.19486...
AC43 said:
Hang on a minute. I cycled to work across London today. And did so yesterday. And last Friday. And will do so again tommorow. In between I'll do a bit of driving.
I've been tailgated by stupid people like that and have shown them the bird, given them some verbal, occasionally slowed down a bit to make my point.
But I have never come over all cycle vigilante like Vine does there.
How does cycling correctly "come over all cycle vigilante"?I've been tailgated by stupid people like that and have shown them the bird, given them some verbal, occasionally slowed down a bit to make my point.
But I have never come over all cycle vigilante like Vine does there.
Exactly.
I count one one hand the amount of cars that overtake me in central London and stay in front of me. They're usually the ones with flashing lights on the roof. Some wkshaft in an uber did it yesterday, zoomed past me on a narrow street in Sloane sq only to find that he would become stuck at a junction behind 6 other cars. Idiot.
I count one one hand the amount of cars that overtake me in central London and stay in front of me. They're usually the ones with flashing lights on the roof. Some w
kshaft in an uber did it yesterday, zoomed past me on a narrow street in Sloane sq only to find that he would become stuck at a junction behind 6 other cars. Idiot.heebeegeetee said:
How does cycling correctly "come over all cycle vigilante"?
I personally wouldn't have entered into that "debate" with her. It's pointless and is only likely to wind her up into paraoxyms of rage (which it did).To me, he comes across like one of those people who get enraged by drivers and posts the footage on Youtube.
He seemed to be milking the situation.
I'm not for a minute condoning what she did but he does seem to be stoking the argument.
The fact that he them posted the footage also suggests he has another motive.
Just my opinion, of course
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