Southern Health
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crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
All I can say is, their HR department need rodding with the Christmas tree if that's the best their contract can do.Digga said:
REALIST123 said:
The thing is, Fred, that if Katrina f
kwit Percy had been in a private enterprise she would have been fired many years ago as soon as her incompetence became clear. She certainly wouldn't have been shuffled sideways on full pay. You know that; we all know that.
And we can all exercise choice dealing with private enterprise. Not so with our public sector.
Please don't try to spin this into another envy driven rant.
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
I wouldn't bank on that, the trust where my wife is renowned for being unable to get rid of anyone. The Hr dept are beyond inept, what they are good at is lining consultancy firms pockets which usually follows this cycle.1. There is an issue, we don't have the skills in-house to deal with.
2. Get in one of the big 4 to provide consultancy on how to handle issue.
3. 5 years later consultancy firm come back and says everything we advised was wrong and you need to go back to doing what you did in the first place, and as a consultancy firm we can help you do that.
Result= sod all being achieved other than a significant dent in the budgets and a happy partner at a consultancy firm.
Katrina Percy is another example, like Lin Homer, of Common Purpose Future Leaders failing upwards?
How many Common Purpose groomed Future Leaders are meddling with the NHS so as to break it to justify privatising it? And is the same being done to the police?
I am disappointed that the BBC reporting I heard on it yesterday didn't mention the news a month or so ago about Katrina Percy awarding contracts to a company founded by her former colleagues. Nepotism conveniently goes quite well with Leading Beyond Authority?
It would seem counter to previous events that so many people with disabilities were able to die while in the care of Southern Health without there being any investigation into what was going on.
Confirmation that it's easier to type and say 'Learning Lessons' than actually learn lessons? Learning lessons is optional if you're a Future Leader Leading Beyond Authority?
Is being held accountable for failures and deaths within your business or practice compatible with Leading Beyond Authority?
How many Common Purpose groomed Future Leaders are meddling with the NHS so as to break it to justify privatising it? And is the same being done to the police?
I am disappointed that the BBC reporting I heard on it yesterday didn't mention the news a month or so ago about Katrina Percy awarding contracts to a company founded by her former colleagues. Nepotism conveniently goes quite well with Leading Beyond Authority?
It would seem counter to previous events that so many people with disabilities were able to die while in the care of Southern Health without there being any investigation into what was going on.
Confirmation that it's easier to type and say 'Learning Lessons' than actually learn lessons? Learning lessons is optional if you're a Future Leader Leading Beyond Authority?
Is being held accountable for failures and deaths within your business or practice compatible with Leading Beyond Authority?
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 31st August 16:46
There are so many wrongs here, but this will have been rubber stamped by NHS England as well as the Trust. The NHS admin and finance is completely out of touch in many ways.
My wife works in finance in the South and HR, useless, they see their role as protecting the workers not helping to rid them of bad staff. It is easier to allow people to move to another NHS job for them. When challenged over performance, they claim bullying and then off with stress, 6 month full pay, 6 month half by which time they then get a phased return to work and the original problem has been forgotten. It is changing as where she works they are bringing in workers from outside who have the balls to do what is right and a plan to deal with people correctly and it is working but it is like trying to move a supertanker with a rowing boat and one oar..
Getting promoted is easy, suck up to the right on leaders who exude the message of the day and you will get on regardless of talent. Speak the language, "stake holders" "staff engagement" "staff mentoring" use the many acronyms to bemuse speak of vision, but mostly never mention the patients. Screw up big time in an embarrassing way and promotion is quicker as no trust wants bad headlines.
This story showcases all that is wrong, huge pay package, little expertise as demonstrated other than survival and yet no one has the balls to sack her, but even if they did that would take them years to do as with garden leave, investigation, time off for stress easy to stretch to a year, then the inevitable appeal where the HR will have screwed up anyway. It is laughable
My wife works in finance in the South and HR, useless, they see their role as protecting the workers not helping to rid them of bad staff. It is easier to allow people to move to another NHS job for them. When challenged over performance, they claim bullying and then off with stress, 6 month full pay, 6 month half by which time they then get a phased return to work and the original problem has been forgotten. It is changing as where she works they are bringing in workers from outside who have the balls to do what is right and a plan to deal with people correctly and it is working but it is like trying to move a supertanker with a rowing boat and one oar..
Getting promoted is easy, suck up to the right on leaders who exude the message of the day and you will get on regardless of talent. Speak the language, "stake holders" "staff engagement" "staff mentoring" use the many acronyms to bemuse speak of vision, but mostly never mention the patients. Screw up big time in an embarrassing way and promotion is quicker as no trust wants bad headlines.
This story showcases all that is wrong, huge pay package, little expertise as demonstrated other than survival and yet no one has the balls to sack her, but even if they did that would take them years to do as with garden leave, investigation, time off for stress easy to stretch to a year, then the inevitable appeal where the HR will have screwed up anyway. It is laughable
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Actually you may be right, but what a sad state the NHS's admin in general must be for that to be even remotely possible.There's a fully documented history of inadequate performance, widely reported, not to mention suspicious activity, concerning this woman. Any HR manager worth even half his salt could have had her out years ago.
Are you saying that the NHS's HR system is also staffed by inadequates?
V8 Fettler said:
The starting point is to ensure that senior NHS managers are likely to face manslaughter charges when avoidable deaths occur due to NHS failings.
Yup. She presided over such comprehensive neglect that I've been quite staggered that she hasn't ended up facing charges - Connor Sparrowhawk's mum is a friend of a friend. Given proper care he was no more likely to die at 18 than any lad ever would be.
uknick said:
It is an utter disgrace. An abuse of public trust and money. Someone must be fired. Properly, as in bye bye, no job, no salary, no lump sum. (I know this will never happen because the HR incompetents will have codged-together such a laughable contract in the first place.)
Surely this is the point where it becomes undeniable, beyond question that there is straightforward corruption going on here?
I'm aware of the Shoesmith case and the issues around it but this ain't that - Percy has directly conducted herself in totally inappropriate ways, presided over practice she knew was dangerous and did nothing…
I'm aware of the Shoesmith case and the issues around it but this ain't that - Percy has directly conducted herself in totally inappropriate ways, presided over practice she knew was dangerous and did nothing…
Was reading about this earlier. st at one job on 240k a year and moved on.... or moved sideways into another 240k job that they created just for her and didn't advertise internally or externally. Disgusting really. She and her pals must have some serious brass on their necks or she's got some ludicrously bad dirt on someone.
t at one job on 240k a year and moved on.... or moved sideways into another 240k job that they created just for her and didn't advertise internally or externally. Disgusting really. She and her pals must have some serious brass on their necks or she's got some ludicrously bad dirt on someone.crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Unless I misunderstood the reporting. The advisor role is also as an employee, together with a continuation of pension rights. Perhaps it is fixed term?REALIST123 said:
A question that needs to be asked is how often does this type of waste occur? We know it's far from isolated but is it quite common?
It just doesn't seem that the NHS trip needs more cash, it just needs to stop being profligate with the billions it gets.
FWIW it is not only the NHS, but other public organisations too where I have heard examples of the easy option of "promoting out of harm's way" being taken, instead of firing.It just doesn't seem that the NHS trip needs more cash, it just needs to stop being profligate with the billions it gets.
I know private sector is not immune by any means, but with public money comes additional responsibility for diligence and good practice.
REALIST123 said:
A question that needs to be asked is how often does this type of waste occur? We know it's far from isolated but is it quite common?
It just doesn't seem that the NHS trip needs more cash, it just needs to stop being profligate with the billions it gets.
Not isolated I am reliably informed.It just doesn't seem that the NHS trip needs more cash, it just needs to stop being profligate with the billions it gets.
Personal anecdote if I may.
Attended a Chief Execs leaving do, when introduced I was asked did I work for the NHS. I flippantly stated I did not and would be likely to sack too many people if I did......just the man we need came the reply
uknick said:
We have junior doctors (the ones who actually do the work) striking over pay and yet they have enough money to waste £240k on creating a new role for someone who is crap at her job...and people wonder why the NHS never has any money...Otispunkmeyer said:
Was reading about this earlier. st at one job on 240k a year and moved on.... or moved sideways into another 240k job that they created just for her and didn't advertise internally or externally. Disgusting really. She and her pals must have some serious brass on their necks or she's got some ludicrously bad dirt on someone.
The trusts Chairman Tim Smart (base salary £227500) was interviewed by the BBC. Made every effort to avoid sheer get the questions honestly and needed to be pinned down to confirm what you say:t at one job on 240k a year and moved on.... or moved sideways into another 240k job that they created just for her and didn't advertise internally or externally. Disgusting really. She and her pals must have some serious brass on their necks or she's got some ludicrously bad dirt on someone.The job was created for this situation; it didn't exist before.
It wasn't advertised either internally or externally.
Only Percy was interviewed for the 'role'.
Smart didn't come across as being aptly named but he did come across as supremely arrogant and unhappy that anyone should question what he's up to. Video is on BBC website.
I agree with what the mother of one of the victims said on this; it's totally outrageous.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 7th September 13:54
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