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jjlynn27 said:
While I generally support NHS, this is totally unacceptable. Health Secretary should step in, if he has legal powers obviously, and put a quick stop to this. And get rid of Tim 'Smart' too.
I agree. The bulk of the NHS is turning up to work and trying to do its job. It is pretty clear that a lot of their efforts are hampered by the management idiots that squander much of the budget, not least on their own pay.V8 Fettler said:
The starting point is to ensure that senior NHS managers are likely to face manslaughter charges when avoidable deaths occur due to NHS failings.
By that ruling we would also need to apply the same control to all executives, for example the train accident resulting from lack of investment.REALIST123 said:
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Actually you may be right, but what a sad state the NHS's admin in general must be for that to be even remotely possible.There's a fully documented history of inadequate performance, widely reported, not to mention suspicious activity, concerning this woman. Any HR manager worth even half his salt could have had her out years ago.
Are you saying that the NHS's HR system is also staffed by inadequates?
Pickled Piper said:
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Unless I misunderstood the reporting. The advisor role is also as an employee, together with a continuation of pension rights. Perhaps it is fixed term?AyBee said:
uknick said:
We have junior doctors (the ones who actually do the work) striking over pay and yet they have enough money to waste £240k on creating a new role for someone who is crap at her job...and people wonder why the NHS never has any money...
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johnfm said:
It is a joke.
But shouldn't the PH response be to apply for these cushy, well paid roles in the NHS?
You probably don't fit the job profile, nor speak the correct management-speak dialect. A copy of the Guardian under your podgy arm and a floaty sheer flower-printed dress would help. Can you frown to order or smile with fleeting duration intermittently while you speak patronisingly to lower orders? Oh, and drink prodigious quantities of coffee accompanied by numerous biscuits!But shouldn't the PH response be to apply for these cushy, well paid roles in the NHS?
johnfm said:
It is a joke.
But shouldn't the PH response be to apply for these cushy, well paid roles in the NHS?
I know what you're trying to do but it doesn't work because, ultimately, it's the public's money - not to mention not one of the 'shareholders', as it were, has a vote in how it's spent. Or misspent.But shouldn't the PH response be to apply for these cushy, well paid roles in the NHS?
PoleDriver said:
GreatGranny said:
My wife works as an Accountant for a trust in Lincolnshire.
She says the level of nepotism, long term sickness, bullying, sexism, waste and general incompetence is astounding.
She has worked mostly in the private sector but did work for Sheffield NHS when she first left Uni 25 years so has seen both sides.
The waste in the Hospitals is on agency staff because there are not enough trained staff and those that are trained are unwilling to work in failing trusts.
The waste in the back room staff is because of weak, lazy and ineffective management.
She says the level of nepotism, long term sickness, bullying, sexism, waste and general incompetence is astounding.
She has worked mostly in the private sector but did work for Sheffield NHS when she first left Uni 25 years so has seen both sides.
The waste in the Hospitals is on agency staff because there are not enough trained staff and those that are trained are unwilling to work in failing trusts.
The waste in the back room staff is because of weak, lazy and ineffective management.
This is exactly what my OH has found in South coast health trusts!!
I have a lot to thank the NHS for in terms of care but the mismanagement of finances is disgusting.
The other thing I witness is the constant musical chairs where staff are in a roll 6 months, just starting to gain sufficient understanding of it to be useful, before they gain another progression to a new "bracket" and the whole process starts again.
Projects years behind schedule and millions over budget, no progress, no plan and no idea. The whole thing is shambolic and if it was run as a company many, many heads would roll. The sad fact is the complacency and lethargy that seems to operate within it off the front line seems to breed.
johnfm said:
It is a joke.
But shouldn't the PH response be to apply for these cushy, well paid roles in the NHS?
Joking aside, I could never handle a "job", no matter how well paid, that I knew would essentially be totally unproductive and result in nothing whatsoever - merely years with nose in the trough taking money to push projects around and never see them complete (before a change in government or policy renders the project obsolete and a new one (that will never see light of day either) is commenced.But shouldn't the PH response be to apply for these cushy, well paid roles in the NHS?
crankedup said:
REALIST123 said:
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Actually you may be right, but what a sad state the NHS's admin in general must be for that to be even remotely possible.There's a fully documented history of inadequate performance, widely reported, not to mention suspicious activity, concerning this woman. Any HR manager worth even half his salt could have had her out years ago.
Are you saying that the NHS's HR system is also staffed by inadequates?
The BBC has just confirmed that you were right. The job was created because they were afraid she'd take them to a tribunal and they'd lose because they couldn't show that the failures are down to her personally.
Which confirms that I too was correct. The NHS's HR system is clearly staffed by inadequates. Who are probably highly paid for doing very little, as well.
It really is time that these people were held to account for what s a national disgrace.
Public sector HR in general is an utter disgrace. I've heard other examples, from friends in various bits of the PS.
One of my brothers in law calls some of the basket cases that evade discipline, let alone being made to put in a decent day's work the "protected species". People who basically slack off - drop the burden onto co workers - but wave some sort of victim card which has the clueless, toothless HR people bending over backwards to accommodate them.
One of my brothers in law calls some of the basket cases that evade discipline, let alone being made to put in a decent day's work the "protected species". People who basically slack off - drop the burden onto co workers - but wave some sort of victim card which has the clueless, toothless HR people bending over backwards to accommodate them.
REALIST123 said:
crankedup said:
REALIST123 said:
crankedup said:
Maybe it was less expensive for the trust to come to the arrangement reported. The advisory role will no doubt disappear after a period of one year or so. It's easier to sack an advisor than a employee.
Actually you may be right, but what a sad state the NHS's admin in general must be for that to be even remotely possible.There's a fully documented history of inadequate performance, widely reported, not to mention suspicious activity, concerning this woman. Any HR manager worth even half his salt could have had her out years ago.
Are you saying that the NHS's HR system is also staffed by inadequates?
The BBC has just confirmed that you were right. The job was created because they were afraid she'd take them to a tribunal and they'd lose because they couldn't show that the failures are down to her personally.
Which confirms that I too was correct. The NHS's HR system is clearly staffed by inadequates. Who are probably highly paid for doing very little, as well.
It really is time that these people were held to account for what s a national disgrace.
Goes on all the time at the senior levels of management be that public sector or private.
crankedup said:
Goes on all the time at the senior levels of management be that public sector or private.
Still doesn't mean it's right, especially with public money.mit smacks of weak, ineffective and incompetant HR.You cannot seriously tell me that greedy b
h would not still have snapped up that lucrative role without golden handcuffs?Digga said:
crankedup said:
Goes on all the time at the senior levels of management be that public sector or private.
Still doesn't mean it's right, especially with public money.mit smacks of weak, ineffective and incompetant HR.You cannot seriously tell me that greedy b
h would not still have snapped up that lucrative role without golden handcuffs?As part of my job role I work alongside NHS staff.
The ones that are good are VERY good and an absolute credit to the NHS and what it should stand for. The rest are so lazy, incompetent and uncaring that you wonder how they manage to survive and more importantly why they bothered to join a profession that helps vulnerable people?
The ones that are good are VERY good and an absolute credit to the NHS and what it should stand for. The rest are so lazy, incompetent and uncaring that you wonder how they manage to survive and more importantly why they bothered to join a profession that helps vulnerable people?
AyBee said:
uknick said:
We have junior doctors (the ones who actually do the work) striking over pay and yet they have enough money to waste £240k on creating a new role for someone who is crap at her job...and people wonder why the NHS never has any money...
240k = Two and a half consultant surgeons who may save your life.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
crankedup said:
V8 Fettler said:
The starting point is to ensure that senior NHS managers are likely to face manslaughter charges when avoidable deaths occur due to NHS failings.
By that ruling we would also need to apply the same control to all executives, for example the train accident resulting from lack of investment.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff