Penge police pursuit deaths

[anonymous-user]

Is it beyond the wit of parliament to introduce a much more severe crime of dangerous driving to avoid arrest?

[anonymous-user]

The maximum sentence for death by dangerous driving was increased a few years back. There's scope for there to be a strong custodial sentence for this matter.

IPCC data states that 252 'members of the public' (I assume that includes the drivers and passengers in vehicles failing to stop) have died following 'road traffic incidents with the police' (not sure exactly how that's defined).

[dondadda]

Greendubber said:

And you wont because it wouldnt happen.

Well it did happen.

The reported route of the pursuit at speeds reported to be up to 80mph took them past Harris Primary Academy and a busy high street . The Focus crashed 6 terraced houses away from a children's recreational park where this unlucky family were actually headed to.

[BJG1]

Ali Chappussy said:

Once it's been established that the driver is guilty, take them into a quiet room and give them a jab of something lethal and then throw their scummy body into one of those things that chews up trees and the likes.

Problem solved. And before all you bleeding heart liberals have a pop at me, when I say problem solved I mean in regard to the scumbag driver not the poor relatives and friends of the victim where I doubt if the problem will ever be solved.

Enjoy how you think anyone who might disagreed with the State murdering people is a bleeding heart liberal, rather than just not a total fking ahole.

[Elroy Blue]

dondadda said:

Well it did happen.

The reported route of the pursuit at speeds reported to be up to 80mph took them past Harris Primary Academy and a busy high street . The Focus crashed 6 terraced houses away from a children's recreational park where this unlucky family were actually headed to.

So speeds 'up to 80mph'. Where was the 'up to' done. How fast were they going st point A or point B. You don't know, but are happy to suggest Officers acted dangerously and recklessly. Just ridiculous.

Every single pursuit I'm in or I control is a careful balancing act and safety is the priority. Unfortunately, stores appear to have run right out of hindsight dust and clairvoyant cream, so we have to make split second decisions on what's in front of us. It'd be much easier if I could pause behind a keyboard and come up with random observations with all the time in the world.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

BJG1 said:

Enjoy how you think anyone who might disagreed with the State murdering people is a bleeding heart liberal, rather than just not a total fking ahole.

It's symptomatic of the all or nothing binary thinking of so many on this forum. Everything must be black or white, and no shades of grey are permissible.

[Blue Oval84]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blue Oval84 said:

but to suggest that they should have a policy of not chasing people in cars is ridiculous.

Has anyone suggested that? I expect police to enter into high speed pursuits when the circumstances allow. I do not expect to see a police car chasing a car thief at 100mph past a primary school at 3 in the afternoon.

One of a few posts in this thread that I've interpreted as "a stolen car is just not worth chasing"-

dondadda said:

If it was just a stolen car, then there is absolutely no excuse for chasing it in a built up area regardless of what the pursuit policy may say.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Blue Oval84 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blue Oval84 said:

but to suggest that they should have a policy of not chasing people in cars is ridiculous.

Has anyone suggested that? I expect police to enter into high speed pursuits when the circumstances allow. I do not expect to see a police car chasing a car thief at 100mph past a primary school at 3 in the afternoon.

One of a few posts in this thread that I've interpreted as "a stolen car is just not worth chasing"-

dondadda said:

If it was just a stolen car, then there is absolutely no excuse for chasing it in a built up area regardless of what the pursuit policy may say.

I think he's saying he believes it's not worth chasing thru a built up area. Slightly different.

[Blue Oval84]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I think he's saying he believes it's not worth chasing thru a built up area. Slightly different.

I live in Brighton, *everywhere* is built up. I wouldn't expect the police to just not bother chasing criminals.

[anonymous-user]

Blue Oval84 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I think he's saying he believes it's not worth chasing thru a built up area. Slightly different.

I live in Brighton, *everywhere* is built up. I wouldn't expect the police to just not bother chasing criminals.

Quite, it also means if you don't want to be followed you just tear through the nearest built up area. Brilliant.

[rscott]

dondadda said:

Greendubber said:

And you wont because it wouldnt happen.

Well it did happen.

The reported route of the pursuit at speeds reported to be up to 80mph took them past Harris Primary Academy and a busy high street . The Focus crashed 6 terraced houses away from a children's recreational park where this unlucky family were actually headed to.

Good job the school was closed for the Summer break then.

[Greendubber]

dondadda said:

Greendubber said:

And you wont because it wouldnt happen.

Well it did happen.

The reported route of the pursuit at speeds reported to be up to 80mph took them past Harris Primary Academy and a busy high street . The Focus crashed 6 terraced houses away from a children's recreational park where this unlucky family were actually headed to.

So not 100mph then in the scenario I was referring to then..... past a closed school.

Out of interest where has the 80mph come from anyway, member of the public?

Lets see what the telematics box and on board video reveal to find out how fast they were going shall we.

Here's a real life example, I had a member of the public claim I was doing 100mph once, I was doing a proven by the data logger to be doing a maximum speed of 58mph. Funny how quick can look faster than it actually is, their estimate was only 42% out...

Edited by Greendubber on Thursday 1st September 17:13

[anonymous-user]

rscott said:

dondadda said:

Greendubber said:

And you wont because it wouldnt happen.

Well it did happen.

The reported route of the pursuit at speeds reported to be up to 80mph took them past Harris Primary Academy and a busy high street . The Focus crashed 6 terraced houses away from a children's recreational park where this unlucky family were actually headed to.

Good job the school was closed for the Summer break then.

And it wasn't 15:00 like the theoretical example provided.

[Einion Yrth]

Greendubber said:

Lets see what the telematics box and on board video reveal to find out how fast they were going shall we.

Certainly: at this stage I certainly don't know the truth, and AFAICT no-one else here does, either. Given the tragic circumstances however I would expect the police officers involved to be the subject of rigorous enquiries.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Einion Yrth said:

Greendubber said:

Lets see what the telematics box and on board video reveal to find out how fast they were going shall we.

Certainly: at this stage I certainly don't know the truth, and AFAICT no-one else here does, either. Given the tragic circumstances however I would expect the police officers involved to be the subject of rigorous enquiries.

Exactly. there needs to be an enquiry, because the facts aren't known. That's what the enquiry is for, to establish the facts.

[MarshPhantom]

Digga said:

MarshPhantom said:

turbobloke said:

greygoose said:

Only person to blame in my view is the person who stole the car and crashed it...

Exactly.

Causing death by dangeous driving, that's going to be a custodial is it not?

So you don't have a problem with lives being put at risk over a stolen car?

I do. I have a massive problem. People who steal cars are dealt with far too leniently in this country, for one reason; we don't currently have enough places to lock up all our criminals. IMHO, stealing someone else's car is one of the most selfish, dangerous and anti-social acts a citizen can commit. The effect on those who car - and often sole means of transport for them and their family - can be huge, aside from the safety issues of jumping in a vehicle which, for all you know, could have just been parked up because a major safety issue had been detected.

The police didn't steal the car, they didn't make the situation, they were just there on hand to deal with it the best they could. The courts need to start handing out far stiffer sentences for car theft and, where a death is involved, the penalty should be draconian. There needs to be a deterrent, because there clearly is not one right now.

Tell me about it. Our house was broken into while we slept and car taken plus a load of other stuff. I know the police aren't going to find my car but don't leave me waiting in for three whole days because you are supposedly coming around to take a statement. The police really were the icing on the cake. From one extreme to another it would seem.

[baldy1926]

Charged just waiting to be bailed at court now i imigine
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-372538...

[FredClogs]

I doubt he'll get bail if he's of "no fixed abode".

[Pesty]

Wonder if we'll get to hear about his previous and usual slaps on the list.

Stealing a car should get an automatic large sentence. He's to blame not the police he set this chain of events in motion. I wonder if he should have been out on the street in the first place or was this his first rodeo

[dondadda]

Well known to the police and Bromley Magistrates Court. He was on a local most wanted list back in 2013 when he was 20.

http://m.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10479925.Lewisham_...