Penge police pursuit deaths

[Johnnybee]

Rat face.

[anonymous-user]

Regardless of the NFA, I'd be surprised if he receives bail.

[BJG1]

Another accident todasy involving a pedestrian - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/02/ma...

[brenflys777]

BJG1 said:

Another accident todasy involving a pedestrian - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/sep/02/ma...

Another laden headline that focuses on the Police rather than the criminal who injured an innocent bystander.

Another nasty dangerous criminal that the Police were following, people like this often come to the attention of the Police because they are driving with no consideration or care before the Police follow or pursue. It's stunning naivety to think that allowing the criminals unfettered movement if they drive dangerously will make everyone safer.

[Digga]

dondadda said:

Well known to the police and Bromley Magistrates Court. [b]He was on a local most wanted list back in 2013 when he was 20.[b/]

http://m.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10479925.Lewisham_...

I refer back to my previous post about the courts being too lenient with recidivists. Thing with these individuals is, until they are put away, they keep inflicting their various forms of misery on untold numbers of innocent victims.

Now we have two people dead - you cannot get more 'affected' by crime than that - the lives of their friends and relatives are now blighted. No doubt also, all the locals who use the park they were by will never forget, may even involuntarily curb their use of the facility as a result of this.

Then there's the unfortunate owner of the TWOCed vehicle.

We can only speculate on the sundry other lives the miscreant has impacted on in between this final act of anti-social selfishness and his previous apprehension by the law.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

I refer back to my previous post about the courts being too lenient with recidivists. Thing with these individuals is, until they are put away, they keep inflicting their various forms of misery on untold numbers of innocent victims.

The problem the courts have are a lack of prison spaces. We operate with around 2-4% capacity spare which provides little headroom for fluctuations.

[Digga]

La Liga said:

he problem the courts have are a lack of prison spaces. We operate with around 2-4% capacity spare which provides little headroom for fluctuations.

Thanks, I know and FWIW that was something my earlier posts on here (I think) mentioned. It's not really good enough though.

I also know, from talking to friends in the police, how utterly dispiriting it is for these individuals to continually re-appear on the local scene. It must be like playing the worst version of "whack a mole". In many areas, the bulk of the criminal activity is being undertaken by very small numbers of individuals - I'm told, frustratingly, police know reports of certain types of crime will go up upon the release of certain offenders, but until they can get proof, there's nothing to act on. So aside from being dispiriting - for police and the community - it also ties up a huge amount of resources by not having sufficient space to incarcerate.

[anonymous-user]

You're quite right about the frustrations. A small % of people commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. There are individuals who are released from prison, a prolific burglar for example, followed by an immediate spike in burglaries. The 'offender management' teams, who basically try to obtain prison recalls for prolific offenders, are constantly battling with probation (who obtain the recalls) who are often trying to keep people out of prison.

I'm pretty 'liberal' when it comes to crime and punishment (although I would argue it's evidence and not politically based), but there are certainly people who should be locked up in prison for as much of their lives as possible. I'd probably pay more tax to pay for a prison for the most persistent offenders who've demonstrated time and time again they won't change.

[Countdown]

La Liga said:

You're quite right about the frustrations. A small % of people commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. There are individuals who are released from prison, a prolific burglar for example, followed by an immediate spike in burglaries. The 'offender management' teams, who basically try to obtain prison recalls for prolific offenders, are constantly battling with probation (who obtain the recalls) who are often trying to keep people out of prison.

Apologies for O/T - I thought "offender management" was part of Probation? I know they've privatised a lot of it recently but i thought that was the lower end of the scrotes and that Tier 1 & Tier 2 offenders were still managed by NOMS?

[anonymous-user]

Countdown said:

La Liga said:

You're quite right about the frustrations. A small % of people commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. There are individuals who are released from prison, a prolific burglar for example, followed by an immediate spike in burglaries. The 'offender management' teams, who basically try to obtain prison recalls for prolific offenders, are constantly battling with probation (who obtain the recalls) who are often trying to keep people out of prison.

Apologies for O/T - I thought "offender management" was part of Probation? I know they've privatised a lot of it recently but i thought that was the lower end of the scrotes and that Tier 1 & Tier 2 offenders were still managed by NOMS?

I may not be using wholly accurate names. That's what I've always known the 'police side' as. I only have a generalised idea of what the Home Office side does.

[Wobbegong]

La Liga said:

Digga said:

I refer back to my previous post about the courts being too lenient with recidivists. Thing with these individuals is, until they are put away, they keep inflicting their various forms of misery on untold numbers of innocent victims.

The problem the courts have are a lack of prison spaces. We operate with around 2-4% capacity spare which provides little headroom for fluctuations.

A shame we cannot outsource UK prisoners to foreign prisons.

[anonymous-user]

Indeed, and plump some money into the Greek and Spanish economies whilst doing so.

[RogueTrooper]

Countdown said:

Apologies for O/T - I thought "offender management" was part of Probation? I know they've privatised a lot of it recently but i thought that was the lower end of the scrotes and that Tier 1 & Tier 2 offenders were still managed by NOMS?

A police "Offender Management Unit" deals with prolific offenders, MAPPA subjects and the like.

[Digga]

La Liga said:

Indeed, and plump some money into the Greek and Spanish economies whilst doing so.

I imagine Iraq or Afghanistan would be open to a nice new trade with the UK.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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A simple sentence escalator should stop these losers ruining so many lives. First crime normal guidelines apply, second add a year, third add 2, etc... before you know it the morons are done. The problem with harsh penalties for TWOCing is it will guarantee they run... so put the penalty on running; you'll not stop them stealing cars but at least they are more likely to bail asap than run and kill someone.

[Countdown]

RogueTrooper said:

Countdown said:

Apologies for O/T - I thought "offender management" was part of Probation? I know they've privatised a lot of it recently but i thought that was the lower end of the scrotes and that Tier 1 & Tier 2 offenders were still managed by NOMS?

A police "Offender Management Unit" deals with prolific offenders, MAPPA subjects and the like.

So do Probation

Anyway it's mainly irrelevant. Call me a lefty liberal but a couple of days worth of tasering his balls would have as much effect as Probation and be a damn sight cheaper. I hope the families get the support that they need.

[richie99]

anonymous said:

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Which 'society' is it that wants to reduce sentencing? I don't. Quick shocking reading the link to the top scum. All except the last were 'failure to appear' so they were out on bail wandering around amongst decent folk, but it is too dangerous to approach them because they might kill you.

[BJG1]

brenflys777 said:

It's stunning naivety to think that allowing the criminals unfettered movement if they drive dangerously will make everyone safer.

except nobody has said that, it's a strawman you've built for yourself

[rscott]

fblm said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

A simple sentence escalator should stop these losers ruining so many lives. First crime normal guidelines apply, second add a year, third add 2, etc... before you know it the morons are done. The problem with harsh penalties for TWOCing is it will guarantee they run... so put the penalty on running; you'll not stop them stealing cars but at least they are more likely to bail asap than run and kill someone.

Doesn't the US have a 3 strikes law designed to act as a similar deterrent?

[Digga]

richie99 said:

Which 'society' is it that wants to reduce sentencing? I don't. Quick shocking reading the link to the top scum. All except the last were 'failure to appear' so they were out on bail wandering around amongst decent folk, but it is too dangerous to approach them because they might kill you.

Well it's not you, it's not me,miss not most people we know either.

And I doubt if it's Countdown either.

Countdown said:

So do Probation

Anyway it's mainly irrelevant. Call me a lefty liberal but a couple of days worth of tasering his balls would have as much effect as Probation and be a damn sight cheaper. I hope the families get the support that they need.

I'll give you a clue; it's the bien pensant, Guardian reading, bleeding heart, Islington dwelling 'intellects' who dream up this nonsense. The people who are, in nearly every respect, furthest removed from the consequences of allowing anti social scum to remain free.