Penge police pursuit deaths
Discussion
Elroy Blue said:
You do realise that experienced car thieves can disable tracking devices very quickly ...don't you?
Probably because after market trackers are fitted in only a handful of locations on a car. Surely factory fitted ones are more challenging? I don't know this is the case however.....greygoose said:
Presumably you don't want ambulances or fire appliances speeding or going through red lights either?
I think it's usual practice for people to move calmly out of the way of those, not drive like idiots trying to outrun them, thus possibly losing control and killing people!Or have I been doing it wrong.
AJL308 said:
A point I have heard made on many occasions from a friend who is an ex copper - "What the f
k are the police doing chasing stolen cars? It's a stolen car FFS; the potential consequences (a massive and horrific accident like this) are simply not worth the potential benefit (the recovery of a car and apprehension of the thief)".
If it was indeed a stolen car, that is.
So we give up one one form of crime. What do you think that will do for the stolen car industry?k are the police doing chasing stolen cars? It's a stolen car FFS; the potential consequences (a massive and horrific accident like this) are simply not worth the potential benefit (the recovery of a car and apprehension of the thief)".If it was indeed a stolen car, that is.
Stolen cars don't exactly get driven well.
Bigends said:
Forensic examination of recovered stolen cars plus some ANPR imaging evidence leads to more arrests and convictions of car thieves than those caught following pursuits..and no they dont all get burnt out or bleached after theyve been dumped
Edited by Bigends on Wednesday 31st August 21:50
When my car was nicked from central London, I was told 'you were asking for it with a car like that'. I told them about the cctv on both ends of the street it was parked they said 'there's nothing we can do'. When 3 cars and 2 motorbikes were stolen on the same night I told them about the dirty great greasy finger prints all over my motorbikes smashed ignition lock and they said 'nothing we can do'. Sorry but I really struggle to take your post seriously. Unless they are caught in the act there's apparently nothing they can do.
BJG1 said:
AJL308 said:
A point I have heard made on many occasions from a friend who is an ex copper - "What the fk are the police doing chasing stolen cars? It's a stolen car FFS; the potential consequences (a massive and horrific accident like this) are simply not worth the potential benefit (the recovery of a car and apprehension of the thief)".
If it was indeed a stolen car, that is.
Yes, I agree with this. Probably not a popular opinion on here but whilst the man in the stolen car is clearly not absolved of any blame, the police should not be involved in any high speed chases in residential areas. The potential consequences are far too severe for the gain.k are the police doing chasing stolen cars? It's a stolen car FFS; the potential consequences (a massive and horrific accident like this) are simply not worth the potential benefit (the recovery of a car and apprehension of the thief)".If it was indeed a stolen car, that is.
turbobloke said:
greygoose said:
Only person to blame in my view is the person who stole the car and crashed it...
Exactly. Causing death by dangeous driving, that's going to be a custodial is it not?
Therein lies part of the problem. Far harsher penalties needed for this common crime.
Scum theft of cars and, of course, criminal (fraud) theft of cars are both very serious problems.
Different levels, but connected.
Those interested in the latter should read this:
http://www.iaati.org.uk/iaati-uk-serious-concerns-...
yellowtang said:
Well I certainly don't want the Police to drive dangerously in my name (speeding in built up areas/running red lights etc) just to apprehend car theives, uninsured drivers etc - the risks far outweigh the gains.
Utter rubbish.You're just looking at the gain as the recovery of a stolen car. It's not.
The gain is that the rule of law is seen to be upheld, once people know that you effectively won't be punished or stand a vanishingly small risk of being caught, the rule of law becomes weaker and weaker.
People start using cars to commit other crimes because it's an easy escape route - "we can rob the newsagents and provided we drive off through a built up area the fuzz won't chase us" - it's already happening with mopeds where the Police refuse to persue people who have just committed violent robberies because they're riding a moped and it may cause them some harm etc.
Once it's been established that the driver is guilty, take them into a quiet room and give them a jab of something lethal and then throw their scummy body into one of those things that chews up trees and the likes.
Problem solved. And before all you bleeding heart liberals have a pop at me, when I say problem solved I mean in regard to the scumbag driver not the poor relatives and friends of the victim where I doubt if the problem will ever be solved.
Problem solved. And before all you bleeding heart liberals have a pop at me, when I say problem solved I mean in regard to the scumbag driver not the poor relatives and friends of the victim where I doubt if the problem will ever be solved.
Blue Oval84 said:
yellowtang said:
Well I certainly don't want the Police to drive dangerously in my name (speeding in built up areas/running red lights etc) just to apprehend car theives, uninsured drivers etc - the risks far outweigh the gains.
Utter rubbish.You're just looking at the gain as the recovery of a stolen car. It's not.
The gain is that the rule of law is seen to be upheld, once people know that you effectively won't be punished or stand a vanishingly small risk of being caught, the rule of law becomes weaker and weaker.
People start using cars to commit other crimes because it's an easy escape route - "we can rob the newsagents and provided we drive off through a built up area the fuzz won't chase us" - it's already happening with mopeds where the Police refuse to persue people who have just committed violent robberies because they're riding a moped and it may cause them some harm etc.
yellowtang said:
Utter rubbish! Disregarding the risks to innocent members of public come what may is frankly obscene.
There are risks in life, they come with walking outside your front door (or different ones come with staying in the house I guess). I'm not suggesting that the Police should ignore risk, but to suggest that they should have a policy of not chasing people in cars is ridiculous.yellowtang said:
Elroy Blue said:
You do realise that experienced car thieves can disable tracking devices very quickly ...don't you?
Probably because after market trackers are fitted in only a handful of locations on a car. Surely factory fitted ones are more challenging? I don't know this is the case however.....They are all fitted either at the dealer or by a 3rd party so are all "after market".
Blue Oval84 said:
yellowtang said:
Well I certainly don't want the Police to drive dangerously in my name (speeding in built up areas/running red lights etc) just to apprehend car theives, uninsured drivers etc - the risks far outweigh the gains.
Utter rubbish.You're just looking at the gain as the recovery of a stolen car. It's not.
The gain is that the rule of law is seen to be upheld, once people know that you effectively won't be punished or stand a vanishingly small risk of being caught, the rule of law becomes weaker and weaker.
People start using cars to commit other crimes because it's an easy escape route - "we can rob the newsagents and provided we drive off through a built up area the fuzz won't chase us" - it's already happening with mopeds where the Police refuse to persue people who have just committed violent robberies because they're riding a moped and it may cause them some harm etc.
Ffs!! Catching car thieves isn't an all or nothing situation. There's things in between high speed city centre pursuits and throwing the towel in. It's not binary.
Ali Chappussy said:
Once it's been established that the driver is guilty, take them into a quiet room and give them a jab of something lethal and then throw their scummy body into one of those things that chews up trees and the likes.
Problem solved. And before all you bleeding heart liberals have a pop at me, when I say problem solved I mean in regard to the scumbag driver not the poor relatives and friends of the victim where I doubt if the problem will ever be solved.
I'll vote for you Problem solved. And before all you bleeding heart liberals have a pop at me, when I say problem solved I mean in regard to the scumbag driver not the poor relatives and friends of the victim where I doubt if the problem will ever be solved.
Blue Oval84 said:
but to suggest that they should have a policy of not chasing people in cars is ridiculous.
Has anyone suggested that? I expect police to enter into high speed pursuits when the circumstances allow. I do not expect to see a police car chasing a car thief at 100mph past a primary school at 3 in the afternoon. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Blue Oval84 said:
but to suggest that they should have a policy of not chasing people in cars is ridiculous.
Has anyone suggested that? I expect police to enter into high speed pursuits when the circumstances allow. I do not expect to see a police car chasing a car thief at 100mph past a primary school at 3 in the afternoon. AJL308 said:
R2 news also said arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving. No mention of any abduction.
There aren't any 'reporting restrictions' that would prevent the reporting of an abduction that I'm aware of unless a court orders same. There are certain restrictions now that "proceedings are active" which means an arrest has been made
In the 2000s there was a national agreement with the press that in the event of a kidnap the press would not report it unless the police said they can or the victim was found. Has this changed?There aren't any 'reporting restrictions' that would prevent the reporting of an abduction that I'm aware of unless a court orders same. There are certain restrictions now that "proceedings are active" which means an arrest has been made
Greendubber said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Blue Oval84 said:
but to suggest that they should have a policy of not chasing people in cars is ridiculous.
Has anyone suggested that? I expect police to enter into high speed pursuits when the circumstances allow. I do not expect to see a police car chasing a car thief at 100mph past a primary school at 3 in the afternoon. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff