Man arrested after baby girl is punched in a supermarket.
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La Liga said:
Digby said:
Make up what you like, chaps. I don't care how you want to entertain yourselves.
The one making things up is you by claiming the Judge's comments on the plausibility were him 'sending a message' (and indirectly saying the judge was lying). I agree with the courts decision.
The sentence was light for PUNCHING!!!! a baby imho, so I'm happy.
Tough baby, too! I had a black eye just from my Mother swinging her arm around when reversing when I was sat in the passenger seat.
Anything else you add is, as I say, for your own entertainment.
Digby said:
La Liga said:
Digby said:
Make up what you like, chaps. I don't care how you want to entertain yourselves.
The one making things up is you by claiming the Judge's comments on the plausibility were him 'sending a message' (and indirectly saying the judge was lying).La Liga said:
imagine not because it's not what you want to hear and why you tried to dismiss it with some rubbish about the judge saying it to merely 'sending a message'. The smoke and mirrors around 'punching' and 'serial baby puncher' etc doesn't change that.
You lost me at "imagine"I didn't want him to go to jail or have anything too serious happen to him and it hasn't.
I am glad.
The end.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Baby punch Russian roulette? Only 1 is real.
These things are so realistic Police Officers have broken into cars to 'save' them i.e. even professionals are fooled.
The peculiar thing is that very young babies do have a very doll like complexion, if I had a £1 every time I'd heard someone ask a new mum if her baby was real.....
Why some people can't understand that the bloke made a very stupid but understandable mistake still baffles me.
Despite all the 'outrage', clearly the punishment reflected that it was not intended, and he was effectively let off with a slap on the wrist.
Wait, are you saying he punched what he thought was a real baby and it turned out to be a doll?These things are so realistic Police Officers have broken into cars to 'save' them i.e. even professionals are fooled.
The peculiar thing is that very young babies do have a very doll like complexion, if I had a £1 every time I'd heard someone ask a new mum if her baby was real.....
Why some people can't understand that the bloke made a very stupid but understandable mistake still baffles me.
Despite all the 'outrage', clearly the punishment reflected that it was not intended, and he was effectively let off with a slap on the wrist.
Alpinestars said:
e8_pack said:
It's quite clear he thought the baby was a doll, owned by the 6yr old sat next to it in the trolly.
The question is, have you ever played with a child by use of its toys?
And when playing with those toys, do you treat them as delicate human beings incase they are real babies, or do you treat them like, well, toys.
The question was specifically for the poster I asked it to. The question is, have you ever played with a child by use of its toys?
And when playing with those toys, do you treat them as delicate human beings incase they are real babies, or do you treat them like, well, toys.
But, how is it clear he thought it was a toy? The judge didn't believe that to be the case. Why do you, with a lot less evidence?
Digby said:
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So having my hair ruffled as a child by anyone who knew my parents or knew people who were with my parents should have resulted in my parents attacking someone?
So having my hair ruffled as a child by anyone who knew my parents or knew people who were with my parents should have resulted in my parents attacking someone?
Digby said:
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We set fire to my "Flame on" Human Torch Fantastic Four doll in the 70's. I suppose I should be sectioned immediately!
The examples you give continually miss the point with their irrelevance. We set fire to my "Flame on" Human Torch Fantastic Four doll in the 70's. I suppose I should be sectioned immediately!
Ruffling hair is not (1) punching and (2) being done to a baby. It would be reacted to as such.
Did a friend of your dad's ever take one of your dolls and set fire to it? Did any adult take one and do the same? I am assuming when you did this you were a child yourself?
Digby said:
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You will just have to accept that like myself, there are people who had that been their baby, would have just accepted the sincere and traumatised apology, because they would have realised the mistake...
Not sure you answered before - do you have kids?You will just have to accept that like myself, there are people who had that been their baby, would have just accepted the sincere and traumatised apology, because they would have realised the mistake...
Digby said:
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Your Father / best friend walks in to a pub, sits beside you and says "Oh my gosh, I can't believe what just happened to me....." and they go on to explain the story and their utter embarrassment, but how the parents of the baby laughed it off and said "No harm done", you would call the police and report them for being a risk towards babies?
Tricky scenario to answer as I cannot imagine any circumstance whatsoever where any acquaintance of mine, let alone my father or best friend, would ever do this!Your Father / best friend walks in to a pub, sits beside you and says "Oh my gosh, I can't believe what just happened to me....." and they go on to explain the story and their utter embarrassment, but how the parents of the baby laughed it off and said "No harm done", you would call the police and report them for being a risk towards babies?
It's not ducking the question either. It's such an inconceivable scenario to me that I have no idea what I would do. I cannot imagine how any adult of sane faculty thinks it's acceptable to punch a doll or a baby!
I ask again, do you have kids? And another question - as an adult have you ever punched a baby doll? Have any of your acquaintances?
Digby said:
I am. He sounds like the kind of person who is trying to put this guy behind bars.
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Never a wise idea to make assumptions....
Alpinestars said:
e8_pack said:
Because of the sentence imposed.
So the judge lied, leading to a lenient sentence?Words fail me with that "logic".
"It was strange and concerning behavior and impossible to explain. Elsie was a vulnerable five day old baby. I accept that this was a exceptional case. I also accept that it was spontaneous, it lacked any pre meditation and I do believe it was completely out of character"
"Implausible" can also be defined as unlikely rather than definitely, so perhaps, as many, many judges are, he was lenient due to the circumstances but at the same time appreciated you simply can't go around doing such things and expect to get away with it completely.
Remember, those in this thread and members of the babies family who clearly want a harsher sentence do not agree with the judge. What say you to those people? Was the judge wrong?
e8_pack said:
Alpinestars said:
e8_pack said:
It's quite clear he thought the baby was a doll, owned by the 6yr old sat next to it in the trolly.
The question is, have you ever played with a child by use of its toys?
And when playing with those toys, do you treat them as delicate human beings incase they are real babies, or do you treat them like, well, toys.
The question was specifically for the poster I asked it to. The question is, have you ever played with a child by use of its toys?
And when playing with those toys, do you treat them as delicate human beings incase they are real babies, or do you treat them like, well, toys.
But, how is it clear he thought it was a toy? The judge didn't believe that to be the case. Why do you, with a lot less evidence?
Digby said:
Added the judge:
"It was strange and concerning behavior and impossible to explain. Elsie was a vulnerable five day old baby. I accept that this was a exceptional case. I also accept that it was spontaneous, it lacked any pre meditation and I do believe it was completely out of character"
"Implausible" can also be defined as unlikely rather than definitely, so perhaps, as many, many judges are, he was lenient due to the circumstances but at the same time appreciated you simply can't go around doing such things and expect to get away with it completely.
Remember, those in this thread and members of the babies family who clearly want a harsher sentence do not agree with the judge. What say you to those people? Was the judge wrong?
Out of character, not premeditated, impossible to explain, exceptional, spontaneous. Doesn't make the act any better. As I asked earlier, and you avoided, if I murder someone, and all the above applied, would that make it less off an offence? "It was strange and concerning behavior and impossible to explain. Elsie was a vulnerable five day old baby. I accept that this was a exceptional case. I also accept that it was spontaneous, it lacked any pre meditation and I do believe it was completely out of character"
"Implausible" can also be defined as unlikely rather than definitely, so perhaps, as many, many judges are, he was lenient due to the circumstances but at the same time appreciated you simply can't go around doing such things and expect to get away with it completely.
Remember, those in this thread and members of the babies family who clearly want a harsher sentence do not agree with the judge. What say you to those people? Was the judge wrong?
I'm talking the offence, not the sentence. I've not questioned the sentence. That's a separate matter.
Alpinestars said:
Out of character, not premeditated, impossible to explain, exceptional, spontaneous. Doesn't make the act any better. As I asked earlier, and you avoided, if I murder someone, and all the above applied, would that make it less off an offence?
Yes, it's called manslaughter, and you just gave almost a textbook definition of such.jakesmith said:
Fully agree with you Zod, some people just come on to a thread and drag it out, adding little of value, perhaps pointing out something obvious etc. Waste of time! Wonder if it will end soon.
I can't see it happening soon. What do these idiots think prolonging this thread will achieve...?
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