Hillary Clintons Health
Discussion
amusingduck said:
Funny you should mention that. Since HRC fainted on 9/11, the narrative immediately changed from "Hillary is fit as a butchers dog" to "FDR had polio and he was a great president" 
Oddly enough you can be felled by viral pneumonia even if you are "as fit as a butchers dog". I don't think anyone is claiming Clinton is a 68 year old marathon runner, but equally the rush to join imaginary dots and dream up some awful condition puts the worst hypochondriac to shame.
I thought she had released medical info anyway?
Time will tell regardless of the election result. The FDR question is an obvious one however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azUpfzDNxpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVE8dPHIj7k
pretty weird as well isn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVE8dPHIj7k
pretty weird as well isn't it?
VolvoT5 said:
That one is her stupid reaction to the large amount of balloons dropped at the end of the conference.
FourWheelDrift said:
That one is her stupid reaction to the large amount of balloons dropped at the end of the conference.
Indeed, I think she responds to some of the criticism of her being unemotional by over-reacting and bad acting - there are a couple of examples of it in this thread which are made out to look like seizures.schmunk said:
fblm said:
motco said:
WTF was that? 
at all who suggest otherwise.Nanook said:
The one where she freezes, and her assistant runs over and tells her to just keep speaking, and all she can do is repeat what he says.
She doesn't look well to me.
She appears to be staring at a group of animal welfare protestors in the crowd, listening to what they're shouting/chanting. The assistant says "keep talking, you can handle it, they're not going [anywhere?]" It's a 'how am I going to handle this?' moment, not a seizure.She doesn't look well to me.
The 'freeze' lasts all of two seconds, by my count, followed by a good two minutes of cogent, controlled speech.
I feel further
is due...schmunk said:
Nanook said:
The one where she freezes, and her assistant runs over and tells her to just keep speaking, and all she can do is repeat what he says.
She doesn't look well to me.
She appears to be staring at a group of animal welfare protestors in the crowd, listening to what they're shouting/chanting. The assistant says "keep talking, you can handle it, they're not going [anywhere?]" It's a 'how am I going to handle this?' moment, not a seizure.She doesn't look well to me.
The 'freeze' lasts all of two seconds, by my count, followed by a good two minutes of cogent, controlled speech.
I feel further
is due...Leithen said:
amusingduck said:
Funny you should mention that. Since HRC fainted on 9/11, the narrative immediately changed from "Hillary is fit as a butchers dog" to "FDR had polio and he was a great president"
Oddly enough you can be felled by viral pneumonia even if you are "as fit as a butchers dog". I don't think anyone is claiming Clinton is a 68 year old marathon runner, but equally the rush to join imaginary dots and dream up some awful condition puts the worst hypochondriac to shame.
I thought she had released medical info anyway?
Time will tell regardless of the election result. The FDR question is an obvious one however.
If she was diagnosed with incapacitating pneumonia on Friday, why attend at all?
If they already knew she had pneumonia, and if that was the reason for her collapse, why did it take 8 hours for their story to change from "overheating" to "pneumonia"?
Why was it OK to attack McCain relentlessly about his health (from what I recall, his health was pretty damn good according to the mayo report), but you're a conspiracy theorist if you question Clinton's?
If an elderly family member was diagnosed with pneumonia, and collapsed in the way that Clinton did, would you be satisfied with them sitting down and waiting until they felt better?
Given that she has a history of fainting, unsteadiness, blood clots, and has been on blood thinners for years, how do we know that the pneumonia caused the collapse?
and the most obvious question of all, if she is (aside from the pneumonia) generally fit and healthy, why would she not release a comprehensive medical report, when withholding that information is so damaging to her campaign?
She has lied, blatantly and constantly, for years.
Why believe anything that she says?
amusingduck said:
Leithen said:
amusingduck said:
Funny you should mention that. Since HRC fainted on 9/11, the narrative immediately changed from "Hillary is fit as a butchers dog" to "FDR had polio and he was a great president"
Oddly enough you can be felled by viral pneumonia even if you are "as fit as a butchers dog". I don't think anyone is claiming Clinton is a 68 year old marathon runner, but equally the rush to join imaginary dots and dream up some awful condition puts the worst hypochondriac to shame.
I thought she had released medical info anyway?
Time will tell regardless of the election result. The FDR question is an obvious one however.
If she was diagnosed with incapacitating pneumonia on Friday, why attend at all?
If they already knew she had pneumonia, and if that was the reason for her collapse, why did it take 8 hours for their story to change from "overheating" to "pneumonia"?
Why was it OK to attack McCain relentlessly about his health (from what I recall, his health was pretty damn good according to the mayo report), but you're a conspiracy theorist if you question Clinton's?
If an elderly family member was diagnosed with pneumonia, and collapsed in the way that Clinton did, would you be satisfied with them sitting down and waiting until they felt better?
Given that she has a history of fainting, unsteadiness, blood clots, and has been on blood thinners for years, how do we know that the pneumonia caused the collapse?
and the most obvious question of all, if she is (aside from the pneumonia) generally fit and healthy, why would she not release a comprehensive medical report, when withholding that information is so damaging to her campaign?
She has lied, blatantly and constantly, for years.
Why believe anything that she says?
MDMetal said:
AT this point I assume it's case of the smallest admission being seen as damaging and they're looking at the calendar and hoping they can get through two months and change the issue. I'd be surprised if she has something catastrophically wrong with her but I'll bet there's something even if it's not what people think they see which is enough for them to consider withholding is better than releasing.
The problem is this. There is clearly something wrong. We don't know what it is, but healthy people don't need to be supported at random intervals, and pneumonia doesn't wash - it has been going on too long. We don't know what the problem is, but it is there.
At the same time, the idea that she is seriously ill is gaining huge traction. Whether founded or not, it is damaging her campaign.
Now, if she has something wrong with her that does not affect her mental capacity - come clean about it. FDR had Polio, so what. If she came out and said, yep, I've got a neurological condition affecting my legs, then there would probably be sympathy, and she could probably conduct the rest of the campaign in a wheelchair and go on to win.
So one has to assume that the information is not being divulged because it is worse (or at least equal) to the the rumours that are gaining traction. I know someone with early Parkinsons, and it does look a hell of a lot like it - occasional problems with movement and concentration, but perfectly lucid in between.
They need to come clean, because if she falls over in a major way (say in a debate) it will all be over. You can bet your last dollar that Trump is being briefed on everything he can do to trigger an episode.
How a nation of 300 million people managed to select this pair of roaches as their potential leaders is beyond me.
MDMetal said:
amusingduck said:
Leithen said:
amusingduck said:
Funny you should mention that. Since HRC fainted on 9/11, the narrative immediately changed from "Hillary is fit as a butchers dog" to "FDR had polio and he was a great president"
Oddly enough you can be felled by viral pneumonia even if you are "as fit as a butchers dog". I don't think anyone is claiming Clinton is a 68 year old marathon runner, but equally the rush to join imaginary dots and dream up some awful condition puts the worst hypochondriac to shame.
I thought she had released medical info anyway?
Time will tell regardless of the election result. The FDR question is an obvious one however.
If she was diagnosed with incapacitating pneumonia on Friday, why attend at all?
If they already knew she had pneumonia, and if that was the reason for her collapse, why did it take 8 hours for their story to change from "overheating" to "pneumonia"?
Why was it OK to attack McCain relentlessly about his health (from what I recall, his health was pretty damn good according to the mayo report), but you're a conspiracy theorist if you question Clinton's?
If an elderly family member was diagnosed with pneumonia, and collapsed in the way that Clinton did, would you be satisfied with them sitting down and waiting until they felt better?
Given that she has a history of fainting, unsteadiness, blood clots, and has been on blood thinners for years, how do we know that the pneumonia caused the collapse?
and the most obvious question of all, if she is (aside from the pneumonia) generally fit and healthy, why would she not release a comprehensive medical report, when withholding that information is so damaging to her campaign?
She has lied, blatantly and constantly, for years.
Why believe anything that she says?
Her campaign maintain a narrative based on lies, those lies get seriously (as in, official documents) exposed regularly, and her already poor credibility takes another hit. She continues to lie about things after the lies have been exposed, it never stops.
amusingduck said:
But her current strategy of denial and lies isn't working. This won't be the last controversy; there's another big Wikileaks release in the pipeline, to be released before the votes are cast. Congress have served the FBI with a subpoena for the un-redacted files relating to the Email scandal.
Her campaign maintain a narrative based on lies, those lies get seriously (as in, official documents) exposed regularly, and her already poor credibility takes another hit. She continues to lie about things after the lies have been exposed, it never stops.
Yup. The big negative for Hilary is aloofness. She keeps trying to keep secrets, and it's not playing well. Her campaign maintain a narrative based on lies, those lies get seriously (as in, official documents) exposed regularly, and her already poor credibility takes another hit. She continues to lie about things after the lies have been exposed, it never stops.
MDMetal said:
More than most it's clear this election won't be fought on actual issues
Sad to ser just for that reason
Trump has promised a beautiful wall and said he'll be hard on illegal immigrants. I don't know any of Hillary's policies from the news I've read over here. In fact I know more about Sanders.Sad to ser just for that reason
glazbagun said:
Trump has promised a beautiful wall and said he'll be hard on illegal immigrants. I don't know any of Hillary's policies from the news I've read over here. In fact I know more about Sanders.
I made the mistake of looking at the campaign websites of HRC and Trump as I had no idea what either of them stood for.Brief summary:
Trump - 20% good sensible conservative stuff, 80% barking.
HRC - a ragbag of promises of taxpayers' money to be handed out to any Left-leaning special interest group big enough to have a Facebook page.
It's all just too depressing.
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