The moon doesn't cause ocean tides, claims UKIP MP Carswell
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Greg66 said:
davepoth said:
The reason the bar in civil court is set lower is because the consequences are less severe - the worst civil court can do is impose financial penalties. A criminal court can lock you up for life.
Both courts have arrived at a level of doubt that they find to be acceptable, so under your own definition their determinations cannot be "facts" since every judgement implies that they have not bothered to test the evidence in front of them beyond reasonable doubt, or even past the balance of probabilities, meaning that in a civil case there may well be significant and reasonable doubt that the events ruled upon have happened.
Again, you're just not getting the point. Both courts have arrived at a level of doubt that they find to be acceptable, so under your own definition their determinations cannot be "facts" since every judgement implies that they have not bothered to test the evidence in front of them beyond reasonable doubt, or even past the balance of probabilities, meaning that in a civil case there may well be significant and reasonable doubt that the events ruled upon have happened.
The Courts have standards of proof that they regard as necessary for them to do their job. That does not support the position - as you would have it - that facts are impossible to prove, and that the Courts acknowledge this.
You're just making stuff up now and spouting a stream of consciousness. Which is obviously an advantage in an internet argument.
If you'd like to refer any of your readers to the hundreds of years of jurisprudence on this, which presumably you studied at length before referring to, please do so.
The courts accept the risk of the systems, hence they have appeals and such.
Judges, magistrates and juries come to wrong decisions. They all judge, and without doubt there's no point in judging.
jmorgan said:
History does leave clues when the victors are over enthusiastic. Richard the Third being one. Think Will the story teller had a hand in that as well.
That's an excellent point. We believe the media. I had a picture of Henry V going around his chaps before battle giving them 'a little touch of Harry in the night' and still think of him as one of the better kings of England because of his greater interpersonal skills. Will students in 400 years time be convinced more by the films of the Vietnam Wars than by academia? Will there be a course where The Green Berets is compared to The Deerhunter or perhaps Apocalypse?
I'd sign up for it. Looks like fun.
deeen said:
steveT350C said:
Shar2 said:
Does it matter? Afterall, we all know the answer to the ultimate questions is 42. Unfortunately, the question is what do you get if you multiply 6 X 9.
What am I missing here?From the book and documentary, the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, for those who are unaware.
Shar2 said:
deeen said:
steveT350C said:
Shar2 said:
Does it matter? Afterall, we all know the answer to the ultimate questions is 42. Unfortunately, the question is what do you get if you multiply 6 X 9.
What am I missing here?From the book and documentary, the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, for those who are unaware.
had just forgotten the 'question' was 6 x 9 and not 6 x 7blinkythefish said:
steveT350C said:
Shar2 said:
Does it matter? Afterall, we all know the answer to the ultimate questions is 42. Unfortunately, the question is what do you get if you multiply 6 X 9.
What am I missing here?
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