2.0L 718 -20mm suspension options questions

2.0L 718 -20mm suspension options questions

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johnny senna

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4,046 posts

271 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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I really prefer the look of the 718 when it's on -20mm suspension. I think it gives the car the correct "stance". But sadly the -20mm PASM is not available on the 2.0 718 Cayman, you can only have -10mm PASM and I think that's a shame (and also silly of Porsche, although I can see that it's just a way of getting people to buy the "S" model).
So anyway, I'm not sure I'd want to stretch to pay for a Cayman S in order to get -20mm PASM.
I was wondering if it would be possible to get a 2.0 718 Cayman with the -10mm PASM, and then later on put on the -20mm springs if Porsche would sell them to me?
I suppose the other option is to buy a 2.0 718 Cayman with passive suspension and later put on after market -20mm springs, but I'd be concerned about the ride quality. Would I need new dampers as well if going down the passive -20mm suspension route? Could get expensive.
Thoughts are very welcome.

chriscoates81

482 posts

131 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Put larger wheels on it?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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chriscoates81 said:
Put larger wheels on it?
how's that work lol !

Olderandwiser22

173 posts

90 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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My understanding is that the -20 option is a completely uprated system - the anti roll bars, springs and dampers as well as engine mounts.

Porsche don't like you playing with anything that is standard and hence you would probably invalidate your waranty.

alcatraz236

197 posts

151 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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chriscoates81 said:
Put larger wheels on it?
This just makes you look like a boy racer on stilts

hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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I have lowered just about every car i have owned! You could get some springs fitted by H&R. They judge the spring rates well; i've never noticed a difference in ride quality. If they haven't released a set, i'm sure they will soon.

johnny senna

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4,046 posts

271 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Thanks fellas.

Interesting that it is thought that the -20mm PASM has a totally different set of hardware / build to the -10mm PASM.

On a passive set up, if the H&R springs were fitted could the standard dampers still be used?

hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Absolutely, they will be fine.

You will hear a lot of scaremongering, including:

- It will ruin your ride
- Undo all of Porsche's magician's work
- Invalidate your warranty
- Cause your dampers to leak after 100 miles

My experience says all the above is wrong. Like i said, no discernible difference in ride comfort or handling (it just looks better), never had an issue with warranty (i accept suspension coverage is invalidated) and i never keep cars for more than a few years anyway.

If i had a particularly signifcant problem, i'd simply get the original springs fitted back on and wheel it in Porsche. Overall though, Porsche have been happy with my modified cars for both warranty work and a dealer principal even snapped up my old 997 C4S which was on BBS wheels, H&R springs and an aftermarket exhaust - and Porsche Warranty of course!

Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

94 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Does 1cm really make that much difference (in ride height)?

Ask 100 people to view a car in isolation (not 2 cars next to each other) and I doubt more than 2 could have an opinion about height either way.

johnny senna

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271 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Sparkyhd said:
Does 1cm really make that much difference (in ride height)?

Ask 100 people to view a car in isolation (not 2 cars next to each other) and I doubt more than 2 could have an opinion about height either way.
I can tell the difference btween -10mm and -20mm, yes.
Stance is really important IMHO. It's something the boys at Singer spent literally years perfecting. It's the reason their cars look so right.

johnny senna

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271 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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hondansx said:
Absolutely, they will be fine.

You will hear a lot of scaremongering, including:

- It will ruin your ride
- Undo all of Porsche's magician's work
- Invalidate your warranty
- Cause your dampers to leak after 100 miles

My experience says all the above is wrong. Like i said, no discernible difference in ride comfort or handling (it just looks better), never had an issue with warranty (i accept suspension coverage is invalidated) and i never keep cars for more than a few years anyway.

If i had a particularly signifcant problem, i'd simply get the original springs fitted back on and wheel it in Porsche. Overall though, Porsche have been happy with my modified cars for both warranty work and a dealer principal even snapped up my old 997 C4S which was on BBS wheels, H&R springs and an aftermarket exhaust - and Porsche Warranty of course!
That is useful, thank you.


Edited by johnny senna on Tuesday 27th September 18:44

alcatraz236

197 posts

151 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Sparkyhd said:
Does 1cm really make that much difference (in ride height)?

Ask 100 people to view a car in isolation (not 2 cars next to each other) and I doubt more than 2 could have an opinion about height either way.
I can tell easily. Standard cars are on stilts, look silly. 10mm drop helps, 20mm is perfect.

Krobar

283 posts

106 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Maybe Porsche will change their mind and offer it on the 2.0 later on; guessing it is not a technical problem and more likely VW trying to influence less alacarte options.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

245 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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The factory seems to have forgotten to fit the illuminated washer jets as well. My car looks so much better with the blue LEDs installed.

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Date a fat bird.

curley

432 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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Ha Ha Ha

JayK12

2,321 posts

201 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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mollytherocker said:
Date a fat bird.
haha.

Is -20mm still PASM or fixed rate dampers? I really like my X73 suspension, sets the car of i hate arch gap too.

FourPotPorsche

350 posts

117 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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The -20mm is known as Sports PASM or SPASM...and the latter is what you will get in your back if you spec it rotate

JayK12

2,321 posts

201 months

Tuesday 27th September 2016
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FourPotPorsche said:
The -20mm is known as Sports PASM or SPASM...and the latter is what you will get in your back if you spec it rotate
Ah ok, Im guessing its abit softer than fixed rate dampers, so probably better for a daily.

johnny senna

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Tuesday 27th September 2016
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JayK12 said:
FourPotPorsche said:
The -20mm is known as Sports PASM or SPASM...and the latter is what you will get in your back if you spec it rotate
Ah ok, Im guessing its abit softer than fixed rate dampers, so probably better for a daily.
I'm not sure if I'd go for -20mm passive suspension to be honest. But there are a few 981s out here with it and I'm guessing it isn't crazy uncomfy?

By the way, does -20mm suspension on a Cayman get over speed bumps OK? Or would -10mm actually be a better idea in this regard?