Allardyce goes

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ReallyReallyGood

1,622 posts

130 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
I don't like this method of catching people out it stinks but not as much as wealthy rich men in positions of some responsibility acting like pigs. I suspect the time yesterday was spent on agreeing a compensation package for him and his staff.
Indeed. The only way the FA could f*** things up further is if it is found they paid out his contract in full. And I wouldn't even be surprised.

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Apparently he leaves with a meagre 1 million.

ReallyReallyGood

1,622 posts

130 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Pesty said:
Apparently he leaves with a meagre 1 million.
So he's committed gross negligence, brought the game and his position into disrepute, but it's in his contract that despite all that he gets £1m? Who writes these contracts!?

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Pesty said:
Apparently he leaves with a meagre 1 million.
I find that more offensive than the act he got sacked for and the FA needs breaking up and starting again.
Talk about the old boys club.

The GMan

2,508 posts

255 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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johnxjsc1985 said:
Pesty said:
Apparently he leaves with a meagre 1 million.
I find that more offensive than the act he got sacked for and the FA needs breaking up and starting again.
Talk about the old boys club.
I found it more offensive him drinking a pint of wine....

Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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The GMan said:
I found it more offensive him drinking a pint of wine....
A pint of wine? Blimey, I missed that bit - was that in the Telegraph article?

ALawson

7,815 posts

251 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Europa1 said:
A pint of wine? Blimey, I missed that bit - was that in the Telegraph article?
http://www.joe.ie/sport/people-are-utterly-fixated-by-sam-allardyce-and-his-pint-of-wine/561800


Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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ReallyReallyGood said:
So he's committed gross negligence, brought the game and his position into disrepute, but it's in his contract that despite all that he gets £1m? Who writes these contracts!?
What gross negligence? I'm guessing you mean gross misconduct, but I doubt he's done that either.

What he did was take the mickey out of "Woy" and say something that needed saying about Neville. Everything else he said would have to be run past the FA before he did anything.

Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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ALawson said:
Europa1 said:
A pint of wine? Blimey, I missed that bit - was that in the Telegraph article?
http://www.joe.ie/sport/people-are-utterly-fixated-by-sam-allardyce-and-his-pint-of-wine/561800
That pint of wine appears to have a head.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

171 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Gavia said:
What gross negligence? I'm guessing you mean gross misconduct, but I doubt he's done that either.

What he did was take the mickey out of "Woy" and say something that needed saying about Neville. Everything else he said would have to be run past the FA before he did anything.
So he would have run by the FA his blatant offer to help circumvent the 3rd party ownership rules? Sure he would. I see he's now claiming this is entrapment. My heart bleeds.

ReallyReallyGood

1,622 posts

130 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Gavia said:
What gross negligence? I'm guessing you mean gross misconduct
Yes, that, gross something!

Zoon

6,689 posts

121 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Europa1 said:
That pint of wine appears to have a head.
Looks like a peroni glass.

AyBee

10,527 posts

202 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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ReallyReallyGood said:
Pesty said:
Apparently he leaves with a meagre 1 million.
So he's committed gross negligence, brought the game and his position into disrepute, but it's in his contract that despite all that he gets £1m? Who writes these contracts!?
My first thought too...how the hell can he justify a payout after all of this? If he hasn't broken his contract, why sack him? If he has, release him and pay £0.

WestyCarl

3,237 posts

125 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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AyBee said:
My first thought too...how the hell can he justify a payout after all of this? If he hasn't broken his contract, why sack him? If he has, release him and pay £0.
He doesn't have to justify it, just take it.

The FA likely wanted this over quickly without the cost, and embarrassment of a court case so probably thought £1m was a good deal.

SPS

1,306 posts

260 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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What in hell does anyone expect when corruption and greed is endemic throughout the professional football money making machine.


Ian Geary

4,479 posts

192 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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I understand he took his agent and his financial advisor to the meeting with the FA. I doubt they were there for moral support.

Most people don't earn enough to worry about this sort of stuff, but up at the higher end a compromise agreement is usually the preferred way to get someone out quickly and easily.

I think it would be fair to pay for the days worked to date, plus whatever agreed notice period he had.

But then it's obvious that in many high pay areas that work behind closed doors, what people would expect as "normal" or "fair" seem to go completely out of the window.


Ian

Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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WestyCarl said:
AyBee said:
My first thought too...how the hell can he justify a payout after all of this? If he hasn't broken his contract, why sack him? If he has, release him and pay £0.
He doesn't have to justify it, just take it.

The FA likely wanted this over quickly without the cost, and embarrassment of a court case so probably thought £1m was a good deal.
I suspect this is the case - the FA wanted it over as quickly as possible. He hasn't been there long enough for unfair dismissal to be a risk, but even if they were to sack him for gross misconduct, there would still be an internal HR process to follow, a hearing, right of appeal, which would all take time, time in which the media would be continuing to feed on the whole thing. In any event, I suspect that yesterday the FA didn't know enough of the detail for a sacking for gross misconduct to be a slam dunk, so took the more cautious approach to get a bulletproof clean break. The other alternative would be to serve notice to terminate, but again that by its very nature takes time, and again the media would be making hay during that time. The amount of £1m is about 3 - 4 months' worth of his reported salary, so maybe they arrived at that as the supposed settlement figure by reference to a pay in lieu of notice clause in his contract.

So, yes, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth, but I can see why a settlement agreement with a payout would be seen as the most expedient route.

Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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Why all the talk of employment law? He will have been self employed, probably via a company, and on a fixed contract which will usually state termination terms. Unless there were specific clauses about this then the FA will have no grounds to withhold payment. They might argue there were and would have to terminate the clause and then face a lengthy court case all in the public glare. Much better to terminate in line with the contract and let that more or less be the end of that matter.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

239 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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ALawson said:
Europa1 said:
A pint of wine? Blimey, I missed that bit - was that in the Telegraph article?
http://www.joe.ie/sport/people-are-utterly-fixated-by-sam-allardyce-and-his-pint-of-wine/561800
Now't wrong with that, here's my wine glass biggrin


birdcage

2,840 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th September 2016
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He hasn't actually done anything wrong and the part they chose to show from a 2 hour conversation was the most damning when in fact he talks about his current employers and running things past them.

If you asked me how to open a safe and I told you you couldn't call me a safecracker...