Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
sly fox said:
Andy Zarse said:
For example Jeremy needs to commit to completely reversing swingeing and wicked Tory austerity and bring in some real socialism. For example he should say Labour will commit to increase benefits, to significantly raise taxes on the rich and middle classes, to tax wealth and property, to cap earnings and introduce Basic Income for all, to scrap Trident, to fight Brexit, to scrap immigration controls, to end the Murdoch hegemony of the media etc.
This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Is this what you believe will make a significant difference (for the better) for this country as a whole? Or is it just that you think Jeremy should come up with some policies and stick to them? This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Do you believe that the views above will ever get any Labour party into power regardless of JC being at the helm or not? Genuinely interested.
As for stopping BREXIT once article 50 is triggered it's a non reversible act EU accept at the end of March 2017 2 years later we are out. Labour has already voted on this point.
Welshbeef said:
sly fox said:
Andy Zarse said:
For example Jeremy needs to commit to completely reversing swingeing and wicked Tory austerity and bring in some real socialism. For example he should say Labour will commit to increase benefits, to significantly raise taxes on the rich and middle classes, to tax wealth and property, to cap earnings and introduce Basic Income for all, to scrap Trident, to fight Brexit, to scrap immigration controls, to end the Murdoch hegemony of the media etc.
This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Is this what you believe will make a significant difference (for the better) for this country as a whole? Or is it just that you think Jeremy should come up with some policies and stick to them? This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Do you believe that the views above will ever get any Labour party into power regardless of JC being at the helm or not? Genuinely interested.
As for stopping BREXIT once article 50 is triggered it's a non reversible act EU accept at the end of March 2017 2 years later we are out. Labour has already voted on this point.
Kermit power said:
Welshbeef said:
sly fox said:
Andy Zarse said:
For example Jeremy needs to commit to completely reversing swingeing and wicked Tory austerity and bring in some real socialism. For example he should say Labour will commit to increase benefits, to significantly raise taxes on the rich and middle classes, to tax wealth and property, to cap earnings and introduce Basic Income for all, to scrap Trident, to fight Brexit, to scrap immigration controls, to end the Murdoch hegemony of the media etc.
This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Is this what you believe will make a significant difference (for the better) for this country as a whole? Or is it just that you think Jeremy should come up with some policies and stick to them? This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Do you believe that the views above will ever get any Labour party into power regardless of JC being at the helm or not? Genuinely interested.
As for stopping BREXIT once article 50 is triggered it's a non reversible act EU accept at the end of March 2017 2 years later we are out. Labour has already voted on this point.
Kermit power said:
Welshbeef said:
sly fox said:
Andy Zarse said:
For example Jeremy needs to commit to completely reversing swingeing and wicked Tory austerity and bring in some real socialism. For example he should say Labour will commit to increase benefits, to significantly raise taxes on the rich and middle classes, to tax wealth and property, to cap earnings and introduce Basic Income for all, to scrap Trident, to fight Brexit, to scrap immigration controls, to end the Murdoch hegemony of the media etc.
This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Is this what you believe will make a significant difference (for the better) for this country as a whole? Or is it just that you think Jeremy should come up with some policies and stick to them? This is the problem, and it will remain so until he comes out fighting. So my advice to Jeremy is say what you mean, no holds barred, and follow through with it.
Do you believe that the views above will ever get any Labour party into power regardless of JC being at the helm or not? Genuinely interested.
As for stopping BREXIT once article 50 is triggered it's a non reversible act EU accept at the end of March 2017 2 years later we are out. Labour has already voted on this point.
Yes I think this would give Labour a clear agenda and to that extent it would make a significant difference over their current mixed messages. It's not for me to say whether these clear policies would make a difference for the country as a whole, that's up to the electorate to decide.
However, with regard to your second question, no I do not think it will get Labour into power; quite the opposite. Nor do I don't think it matters much who is at the helm. In my view a far left policy initiative would finally consign Labour to where they belong; the dusty unloved political history section of Islington Public Library. Such discredited old fashioned policies have no place in the modern world. My hope is we might eventually see a rational modern social democratic party emerge, detached from a festering historical dependency on the dying trade union movement. At least the far left might have an echo chamber and stop them annoying the rest of us with their unpleasant baloney.
Andy Zarse said:
Whoosh for Welshy indeed, but to answer Sly Fox's questions;
Yes I think this would give Labour a clear agenda and to that extent it would make a significant difference over their current mixed messages. It's not for me to say whether these clear policies would make a difference for the country as a whole, that's up to the electorate to decide.
However, with regard to your second question, no I do not think it will get Labour into power; quite the opposite. Nor do I don't think it matters much who is at the helm. In my view a far left policy initiative would finally consign Labour to where they belong; the dusty unloved political history section of Islington Public Library. Such discredited old fashioned policies have no place in the modern world. My hope is we might eventually see a rational modern social democratic party emerge, detached from a festering historical dependency on the dying trade union movement. At least the far left might have an echo chamber and stop them annoying the rest of us with their unpleasant baloney.
In that scenario; if trade unions stayed behind Corbyn, along with many members then I would imagine Labour would split into 2 parties, Corbyn's Labour party and a 'new labour' formed by a large contingent of labour MPs branching off.Yes I think this would give Labour a clear agenda and to that extent it would make a significant difference over their current mixed messages. It's not for me to say whether these clear policies would make a difference for the country as a whole, that's up to the electorate to decide.
However, with regard to your second question, no I do not think it will get Labour into power; quite the opposite. Nor do I don't think it matters much who is at the helm. In my view a far left policy initiative would finally consign Labour to where they belong; the dusty unloved political history section of Islington Public Library. Such discredited old fashioned policies have no place in the modern world. My hope is we might eventually see a rational modern social democratic party emerge, detached from a festering historical dependency on the dying trade union movement. At least the far left might have an echo chamber and stop them annoying the rest of us with their unpleasant baloney.
I suspect that is why Corbyn is holding back, his strategy is the opposite of Trump- rather than being honest on what he would do, he instead will continue to act moderately prior to elections and release wriggle room manifestos, and then go more radical in the event of power.
Edited by hyphen on Friday 24th February 18:22
Symbolica said:
Deptford Draylons said:
Question at press conference this morning.
Q. Have you looked in a mirror this morning and thought the problem is me.
A. No
He's a fanatic, it will always be somebody else's fault. His supporters are exactly the same.Q. Have you looked in a mirror this morning and thought the problem is me.
A. No
I suspect this sentiment is repeated around the whole UK
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/24/t...
Many Labour voters want an alternative to Tory but won't touch Corbyn as he's extreme/incompetent. Surely someone must be passing on the message.
Deptford Draylons said:
Question at press conference this morning.
Q. Have you looked in a mirror this morning and thought the problem is me.
A. No
Absolute comedy gold that, especially with the awkward silence with a couple of stilted giggles!Q. Have you looked in a mirror this morning and thought the problem is me.
A. No
https://youtu.be/eSieIPZg6Ec
///ajd said:
I suspect this sentiment is repeated around the whole UK
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/24/t...
Many Labour voters want an alternative to Tory but won't touch Corbyn as he's extreme/incompetent. Surely someone must be passing on the message.
I think we all agree with this. We need an effective opposition. Corbyn isnt, and its hard to see who of his cronies will be even if he does go. And with their £3 voting rules, its a very cheap way for us public/troublemakers/students to choose someone equally unelectable and daft to be their leader. They need to have a long, hard look at themselves, but I doubt they will until they have a massive fail at GE time. The Tories did in 1997 and did a lot of soul-searching in the wilderness. Labour need to do the same. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/24/t...
Many Labour voters want an alternative to Tory but won't touch Corbyn as he's extreme/incompetent. Surely someone must be passing on the message.
Mrs Pingu was born and brought up in the Copeland constituency and used to say that if you stuck a red rosette on one of the sheep, people would vote for it.
It was vehemently anti-Tory after the Coal Strike. Nobody would dare to put up a blue board at election time (no matter what it said).
For Labour to lose Copeland mid-term to the Tories and not realise the significance, they deserve to lose ALL their seats.
It was vehemently anti-Tory after the Coal Strike. Nobody would dare to put up a blue board at election time (no matter what it said).
For Labour to lose Copeland mid-term to the Tories and not realise the significance, they deserve to lose ALL their seats.
"Labour further from power than any time in the last 50 years" says David Miliband https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/25/d...
No doubt some will label him a Blairite, but its difficult to say he's wrong..
No doubt some will label him a Blairite, but its difficult to say he's wrong..
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