Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
Raygun said:
Corbyn says he's not anti-semitic but he's stirred up a lot of anti-semitism by his actions.
Is he an anti-semite? If not he's not that intelligent if he didn't realise his actions would be welcomed by Nazis and terrorist sympathisers alike so either way the man is not fit for office.
He's not anti-semitic; just anti-competance, anti-logic, anti-common sense, anti-political nous and anti-ability.Is he an anti-semite? If not he's not that intelligent if he didn't realise his actions would be welcomed by Nazis and terrorist sympathisers alike so either way the man is not fit for office.
He just can't differentiate between Jewish people and Israel. Just like how all black people are African. It's obviously not racism...
chris watton said:
RichB said:
George Smiley said:
Is Jeremy an anti-Semite? No
Is Jeremy correct in pointing out crimes carried out by the Israelis? Yes
Does drawing a parallel to some of the similarities to what occurred in WW2 make sense? Yes
Does trying to have a discussion or view that is opposing to that of supporting Israel's position make you an anti-Semite? According to some agreed standards it does
Does this make Jeremy an anti-Semite? In the eyes of the politically blind or motivated, yes.
But is he one? No.
I think George Smiley would have been slightly more balanced in his opinions, unless of course he knew the subject personally which of course he didn't. Is Jeremy correct in pointing out crimes carried out by the Israelis? Yes
Does drawing a parallel to some of the similarities to what occurred in WW2 make sense? Yes
Does trying to have a discussion or view that is opposing to that of supporting Israel's position make you an anti-Semite? According to some agreed standards it does
Does this make Jeremy an anti-Semite? In the eyes of the politically blind or motivated, yes.
But is he one? No.
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Countdown said:
What about the Palestinian right to self-determination?
Remind us how much Hamas gives for a martyred family member again?George Smiley said:
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Countdown said:
What about the Palestinian right to self-determination?
Remind us how much Hamas gives for a martyred family member again?Oh, who wont let them do that.
Hamas.
George Smiley said:
If a people are denied a nationality, they are denied (by the very nature of international law) the legal right to fight. All actions are classed as terrorist and it makes it very easy for a narrative to be portrayed. Give them F16s or whatever else the west has provided Israel to make things even and then see what plays out.
good idea instead of using Children with slingshots to annoy the Army give them guns so they can be mowed done on an industrial scale.Countdown said:
Matt80M said:
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
What about the Palestinian right to self-determination?In any case, we are talking about British Jews, who aren’t responsible the acts of the Israeli government (unless you believe they are?).
Matt80M said:
Countdown said:
Matt80M said:
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
What about the Palestinian right to self-determination?In any case, we are talking about British Jews, who aren’t responsible the acts of the Israeli government (unless you believe they are?).
Hamas military capability:
Several hundred fighters given professional training in either Syria and Iran.
Armed with light automatic weapons.
Russian anti tank missiles, the Kornet- E, mortars, grenades and missiles.
Israel military capability:
180,000 soldiers in IDF with 500,000 in reserve.
Extensive armored assets, ranging from troop carriers to Merkava 4 tanks, to heavy artillery batteries
Navy consisting of destroyers, submarines and amphibious vehicles
Air-force consisting of F-35, F-16, F-15, unmanned drones capable of striking and an array of helicopters with different capabilities.
Mossad (Intelligence Agency)
"Classified Technologies" which are suspected to be nuclear weapons.
British Jews are of course not responsible for the actions of Israel - but to suggest the accusations of antisemitism is just down to a hatred of jews and has nothing to do with Corbyn's criticisms of Zionism or his stance on the Palestinian cause is just wrong imo.
RaymondVanDerDon said:
To put the actual Hamas threat in perspective:
Hamas military capability:
Several hundred fighters given professional training in either Syria and Iran.
Armed with light automatic weapons.
Russian anti tank missiles, the Kornet- E, mortars, grenades and missiles.
That’s all fine then. No threat whatsoever. Missiles and nutters with AK’s are absolutely nothing to worry about. Hamas military capability:
Several hundred fighters given professional training in either Syria and Iran.
Armed with light automatic weapons.
Russian anti tank missiles, the Kornet- E, mortars, grenades and missiles.
Israel’s capabilities of course aren’t just in response to the threat from Hamas. They are literally surrounded by fairly well armed, unhinged nations that would happily see them exterminated.
It is no surprise to me that Israel is armed to the teeth. 8 million Jews, men women and children, were walked into gas chambers, in living memory for many. They will NEVER allow that to happen again and probably explains why they can be heavy handed (I’m not vindicating anyone’s actions in the Middle East btw).
I watched a couple of programmes last night about the history and trouble in the region. It focused on a few peoples stories both Israeli's and Palestinian and how their views changed when they started seeing each other as human beings. The Israeli's aren't going anywhere and until the Palestinians accept this nothing will change and 70 years on its not looking to promising so the bloodshed will continue.it does make you realise how the s
tty Country we live in isn't too bad at all really.
tty Country we live in isn't too bad at all really.johnxjsc1985 said:
Mothersruin said:
It's almost as if there are Palestinians who have something to gain from the chaos that are happy to send women and children to their deaths...
its not death its martyrdom . Edited by AstonZagato on Sunday 5th August 11:33
Ignoring the stupid distraction of arguing over Israel, Zionism, Hamas and all the rest...
It looks like Corbyn must genuinely and wholeheartedly support the things he's accused of and the antisemitic (in the obvious anti-Jew sense) comments some people have made. Otherwise he wouldn't be so reluctant to kill the whole story off by condemning the comments and making a clear statement of a suitable position.
Any vaguely sensible politician would at least have the brains to clear this up, unless they couldn't bring themselves to lie about their views?
Though maybe he really thinks he's right and has plenty of support - a big chunk of the left certainly seems to agree with him.
The only downside to this whole mess is it runs the risk of his evil little deputy getting the top job.
It looks like Corbyn must genuinely and wholeheartedly support the things he's accused of and the antisemitic (in the obvious anti-Jew sense) comments some people have made. Otherwise he wouldn't be so reluctant to kill the whole story off by condemning the comments and making a clear statement of a suitable position.
Any vaguely sensible politician would at least have the brains to clear this up, unless they couldn't bring themselves to lie about their views?
Though maybe he really thinks he's right and has plenty of support - a big chunk of the left certainly seems to agree with him.
The only downside to this whole mess is it runs the risk of his evil little deputy getting the top job.
AstonZagato said:
There is a Golda Meier quote "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."
I agree with that wholeheartedly (mind you one of the usual suspects was kind enough to inform me that I was disgusting for saying that). You're not far wrong with what you said below either!AstonZagato said:
I think it should read "Peace will come in the Middle East when everyone loves their children more than they hate their neighbours."
Mothersruin said:
I'm so not down with the lingo.
they have no fear of death for young or old if it is at the hand of an Israeli Soldier . The quote about loving their Children more than hating Israel is exactly what happened to some of the people in the Documentary I saw they realised after a suicide bombing that the Israeli Mothers hurt just as much as they did when they lost a child.
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