Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[DavidJG]

768 said:

Cobnapint said:

Her analogy that she lives in a big house and eats nice food but her neighbour is homeless and goes to food banks - does that make me a hypocrite...? - is irrelevant.

It was an odd analogy.

I can only assume she means it's Conservative policy for everyone to live in a big house and eat nice food and Labour policy for her to live in a big house and eat nice food while everyone else is homeless and goes to food banks. Seems a curious situation to then compare to education policies.

It has always been the way with Socialists. 'The people' live 'each according to his needs' (refer to Marx for the full text). The Socialist leaders have much bigger needs than the ordinary people. This is why, in former USSR / Warsaw Pact countries, people were forcibly removed from their family homes and placed in an apartment based on the size of their family. And you got what you needed (based on the state's view of your needs), so if you have a family of Grandmother, Husband / Wife, Child - the state would allocate you typically a 1 or 2 bed apartment, expecting grandmother & child to share one room, and mother & father the other (in a one-bed apartment, some folks can sleep in the living room). Welcome to the world of housing the way Corbyn & Abbot think it should be.

We now have two main political parties in this country, who are drifting further towards the extremes. Take your pick - the Conservative party is moving further right, and the Labour party further left. Unless something changes before 2020, this will not end well.

Consider the worst case..... Brexit is going to do some economic damage, even the most determined 'leavers' agree on this (except for the deluded ones who believe that there won't be any short term damage). In economic tough times, with high unemployment, Labour traditionally do well for votes. Leaving us with a depressed economy, and Comrade Corbyn as the next PM.

Meanwhile in America, President Trump decides he wants nothing to do with the Commies in the UK

[rovermorris999]

I would say the Conservatives are moving more to the centre if we are to believe the rhetoric.

[Kermit power]

rovermorris999 said:

I would say the Conservatives are moving more to the centre if we are to believe the rhetoric.

And hopefully, when they get there, they'll carry on going in the same direction and actually become a sensible right wing party again! I for one am sick to death of having had nothing to choose from but Centre Left or Utter Loon since Blair took the reins of the Labour Party!

[Derek Smith]

rovermorris999 said:

I would say the Conservatives are moving more to the centre if we are to believe the rhetoric.

I'm not sure I see your reasoning.

In my youth there was consensus politics, where parties would support policies they thought were good and the party in power would 'consider' the point of view of the other.

There were criticisms from both sides of the bridged divide, suggesting that it gave voters little or no choice.

We are on the opposite ground now. The distance between the parties since Cameron and Milliband, both leaders being replaced by leaders more to the extreme than the ones they replaced, now shows the paucity of such complaints.

Apart from the most recent election, I've voted tory this century, and might well have done in 2015 if the incumbent wasn't such an idle sloth. But even so there are a number of policies of the tory party which I found difficult to support and was rather relieved to be able to vote for an alternative. The 'spare bedroom' tax was bad enough but with a son-in-law who cares for the disabled and those who can't take care of themselves, I find it impossible to support the continued and escalating reduction in funds available to such individuals. Instead of they hype in the media I know what's going on and that it is going to get worse.

I've got no problem with reducing the tax burden on me. For instance, if a company doesn't pay a living wage for 40 hrs a week, then I see no reason why my taxes should subsidise a company paying such low wages. That'd get my vote. And lots more along those lines.

People, on here and in the media, keep telling me 'we' can't afford to pay living wages. But that denies the fact that we are, but via government subsidies. Bu my taxes.

[anonymous-user]

Derek Smith said:

People, on here and in the media, keep telling me 'we' can't afford to pay living wages. But that denies the fact that we are, but via government subsidies. Bu my taxes.

At least we got there in the end. Completely agree.

[Einion Yrth]

If you want to see "living wages" then you need demand for labour, to outstrip supply. Free movement of labour mitigates against this.

[anonymous-user]

Thank you for your concerns about my mental health it is touching that some of you care.
Someone sent me this picture and I have been somewhat preoccupied most of the day with it.



But then I was shown this at tea time and unfortunately I fainted there's never enough blood for the two of us and its me that usually faints.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 10th October 21:38

[irocfan]

fblm said:

Deptford Draylons said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA

Wow. Incredible. I can only assume she's pig ignorant and didn't know, rather than so blinded by socialism as to accept genocide in furtherance of the cause. Waste of, rather a lot of space, either way.

wow - she's fking barking

[Europa1]

DavidJG said:

In economic tough times, with high unemployment, Labour traditionally do well for votes. Leaving us with a depressed economy, and Comrade Corbyn as the next PM.

They do for a while - then the swing to the "Labour isn't working" ((c) Saatchi & Saatchi) viewpoint happens. That said, from some of the stuff coming out of the Labour front bench, I would hope that most people will take a far more proactive approach of "Labour won't ever work with the out of date, out of touch, historically discredited policies they are espousing".

[Shakermaker]

I just got told to 'leave this page' on Facebook because i commented on a Story that JC shared about how it was really bad that Michael Fallon wants to set up cadet forces in schools.

So if you don't agree with JC, you shouldn't be able to say so, on Facebook. Is it any wonder all his supporters are so blinkered? (Which I guess reads true for Trump, Clinton, Farage et al as well...)

[rovermorris999]

Derek Smith said:

I'm not sure I see your reasoning.

In my youth there was consensus politics, where parties would support policies they thought were good and the party in power would 'consider' the point of view of the other.

There were criticisms from both sides of the bridged divide, suggesting that it gave voters little or no choice.

We are on the opposite ground now. The distance between the parties since Cameron and Milliband, both leaders being replaced by leaders more to the extreme than the ones they replaced, now shows the paucity of such complaints.

Apart from the most recent election, I've voted tory this century, and might well have done in 2015 if the incumbent wasn't such an idle sloth. But even so there are a number of policies of the tory party which I found difficult to support and was rather relieved to be able to vote for an alternative. The 'spare bedroom' tax was bad enough but with a son-in-law who cares for the disabled and those who can't take care of themselves, I find it impossible to support the continued and escalating reduction in funds available to such individuals. Instead of they hype in the media I know what's going on and that it is going to get worse.

I've got no problem with reducing the tax burden on me. For instance, if a company doesn't pay a living wage for 40 hrs a week, then I see no reason why my taxes should subsidise a company paying such low wages. That'd get my vote. And lots more along those lines.

People, on here and in the media, keep telling me 'we' can't afford to pay living wages. But that denies the fact that we are, but via government subsidies. Bu my taxes.

Really? May has been talking a lot about helping the 'working class' (whatever that means theses days), workers' representatives on company boards and borrowing more. I don't see that as 'more extreme' than Cameron, quite the opposite. Whether they do these things is another matter.

[sidicks]

Einion Yrth said:

If you want to see "living wages" then you need demand for labour, to outstrip supply. Free movement of labour mitigates against this.

Indeed. Plus of course the minimum wage would actually be a living wage if the government didn't tax it so heavily...

[sidicks]

boxxob said:

taxed heavily? If you are on minimum wage, then you are likely paying income tax of 20% on only a few thousand pounds (with the personal allowance at 11k). Against that you can add any working / child tax credits (plus other benefits) that may be applied.

What about national insurance?

If these people weren't paying tax they wouldn't need to be subsidised.

[gruffalo]

Europa1 said:

DavidJG said:

In economic tough times, with high unemployment, Labour traditionally do well for votes. Leaving us with a depressed economy, and Comrade Corbyn as the next PM.

They do for a while - then the swing to the "Labour isn't working" ((c) Saatchi & Saatchi) viewpoint happens. That said, from some of the stuff coming out of the Labour front bench, I would hope that most people will take a far more proactive approach of "Labour won't ever work with the out of date, out of touch, historically discredited policies they are espousing".

I am not so sure, my father in law, still thinks Labour in the '70's were are the way to go, he actually thinks that "one man one job" is the best thing that ever happened in this country FFS,

[Gargamel]

Here you go.

This comrades is Socialism in action

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/shami-c...

[Cobnapint]

Gargamel said:

Here you go.

This comrades is Socialism in action

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/shami-c...

Wow.

[pingu393]

techiedave said:

Thank you for your concerns about my mental health it is touching that some of you care.
Someone sent me this picture and I have been somewhat preoccupied most of the day with it.

Reminds me of Tennent's Export. Great on the outside. Horrible on the inside.

[AstonZagato]

Cobnapint said:

Gargamel said:

Here you go.

This comrades is Socialism in action

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/shami-c...

Wow.

"Some animals are more equal than others"

[Stickyfinger]

Well the walls are Whitewashed as well !

Not to Shabby Shabbie


Minister for public health recommendation for the next dinner party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfj5wyiUW3I

Edited by Stickyfinger on Tuesday 11th October 13:15

[P5BNij]

AstonZagato said:

Cobnapint said:

Gargamel said:

Here you go.

This comrades is Socialism in action

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/10/shami-c...

Wow.

"Some animals are more equal than others"

What a dispicable twunt she is, surrounded by a shower of ste. Is it any wonder once proud Labour voters like me have lost all faith...?