Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[BlackLabel]

Tryke3 said:

Corbyn just said they will bloc art50 if we dont have access to eu market

Labour going into an election having blocked Brexit in order to protect unlimited free movement of people would be electoral suicide.

[Tycho]

gazza285 said:

I've just been banned from this Facebook group for pointing out the "the soldier" in the sob story is Mark Ormrod, he has a job, owns his own house and is not in danger of having his benefits capped or of being evicted. I also told them how distasteful I found it that they would use his photo, make up a sob story to go with it, just to try and make a political point.

I got abuse, then my posts were removed, and then I was banned. You have to love the tolerant and truthful of the left, so much nicer people than those hate-filled Tory scum...

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=People%27s%...

Wow, what a vitriolic, spiteful, hate filled group of people. Quote ironic (and par for the course when dealing with the left) that most posts start with the warning that any negative and uncaring posts will be deleted and then call all people who don't agree with them a wide range of offensive names and threaten violence.

[johnxjsc1985]

steveT350C said:

I asked this on other thread. What exactly does 'access to single market' mean? The ability to sell to and buy from? If so every country other than North Korea has access.
Is remaining in the Single market different to having access to it?

if we have reciprocal tariffs and a balanced trade with the EU then happy days.
At some point the Politicians will have to take a back seat and allow people who actually understand trade to make the deals.

[anonymous-user]

Tycho said:

gazza285 said:

I've just been banned from this Facebook group for pointing out the "the soldier" in the sob story is Mark Ormrod, he has a job, owns his own house and is not in danger of having his benefits capped or of being evicted. I also told them how distasteful I found it that they would use his photo, make up a sob story to go with it, just to try and make a political point.

I got abuse, then my posts were removed, and then I was banned. You have to love the tolerant and truthful of the left, so much nicer people than those hate-filled Tory scum...

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=People%27s%...

Wow, what a vitriolic, spiteful, hate filled group of people. Quote ironic (and par for the course when dealing with the left) that most posts start with the warning that any negative and uncaring posts will be deleted and then call all people who don't agree with them a wide range of offensive names and threaten violence.

I posted on there in a sycophantic fawning Jezza is God type post
I have loads of people wanting to be my friends now
Fortunately my "common sense" prevents me from accepting such requests.
Not had one from Di the babe yet #disappointedfeeling blue

[irocfan]

gazza285 said:

I've just been banned from this Facebook group for pointing out the "the soldier" in the sob story is Mark Ormrod, he has a job, owns his own house and is not in danger of having his benefits capped or of being evicted. I also told them how distasteful I found it that they would use his photo, make up a sob story to go with it, just to try and make a political point.

I got abuse, then my posts were removed, and then I was banned. You have to love the tolerant and truthful of the left, so much nicer people than those hate-filled Tory scum...

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=People%27s%...

is there a corby is a tt facebook page? Seems a great one to set-up/join

[Welshbeef]

So JC will support the article 50 on the red line of access to the single market.

Now May / negotiators will likely want to get this but if they cannot then what? Negotiations start after article 50 is triggered.
So how does that redline work?

The EUs red line might be no UK access to the Single market but we don't know as the negotiations commence after the triggering.

[davepoth]

Welshbeef said:

So JC will support the article 50 on the red line of access to the single market.

Now May / negotiators will likely want to get this but if they cannot then what? Negotiations start after article 50 is triggered.
So how does that redline work?

It forces a general election.

[don'tbesilly]

davepoth said:

Welshbeef said:

So JC will support the article 50 on the red line of access to the single market.

Now May / negotiators will likely want to get this but if they cannot then what? Negotiations start after article 50 is triggered.
So how does that redline work?

It forces a general election.

The video is hilarious, I don't think he was too keen on discussing just how ludicrous he would end up looking!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/729207/Brex...

[williamp]

labour have, as usual "clarified" what our Comrade said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/06/l...

mail says this is tom watson, but you wont believe what they say so read the guardian one instead

[Welshbeef]

davepoth said:

Welshbeef said:

So JC will support the article 50 on the red line of access to the single market.

Now May / negotiators will likely want to get this but if they cannot then what? Negotiations start after article 50 is triggered.
So how does that redline work?

It forces a general election.

How?

Let's say the agreement pre trigger of A50 is single market access so off we go trigger A50 then next day EU said guess what our Redline is no single market access no matter what.

What would a GE do? Go back and ask for single market access when they have already said under no circumstance would that happen?

[davepoth]

Welshbeef said:

How?

Let's say the agreement pre trigger of A50 is single market access so off we go trigger A50 then next day EU said guess what our Redline is no single market access no matter what.

What would a GE do? Go back and ask for single market access when they have already said under no circumstance would that happen?

You've got the timing wrong.

The agreement pre article 50 needs to be "We trigger article 50". Any more and the negotiations won't work. That's what the bill will say (literally that single line), and if anyone starts adding to it the whole thing will fall apart.

What Theresa May might do in that situation is call a general election. That's pre article 50 but after the initial debate about the bill to invoke article 50.

Her manifesto pledge will be to invoke article 50, and the majority she'll probably get in the Commmons will be clear that their job in no uncertain terms is to allow the single line bill to pass without amendment. She'll also be able to force it through the Lords as a manifesto pledge.

[RYH64E]

davepoth said:

Her manifesto pledge will be to invoke article 50, and the majority she'll probably get in the Commmons will be clear that their job in no uncertain terms is to allow the single line bill to pass without amendment. She'll also be able to force it through the Lords as a manifesto pledge.

I wouldn't be so sure about the majority. Yes, Leave won the referendum, but only just, to listen to some of the comments you would think that they won by a massive majority, which wasn't the case. And a significant percentage of leave voters wouldn't vote Conservative under any circumstances.

[Welshbeef]

RYH64E said:

I wouldn't be so sure about the majority. Yes, Leave won the referendum, but only just, to listen to some of the comments you would think that they won by a massive majority, which wasn't the case. And a significant percentage of leave voters wouldn't vote Conservative under any circumstances.

But then any age we've ever had that's been close ish the result shouldn't stand.

[davepoth]

RYH64E said:

I wouldn't be so sure about the majority. Yes, Leave won the referendum, but only just, to listen to some of the comments you would think that they won by a massive majority, which wasn't the case. And a significant percentage of leave voters wouldn't vote Conservative under any circumstances.

Ah, but that would only be the case if we assume that it would rely on people switching their vote.

People very rarely switch their vote. However, what often happens is that people who normally vote for a party decide not to, and people who didn't previously vote decide to vote.

The likelihood would be that a significant number of labour voters would just not turn up to vote, a few might switch from Labour to UKIP, and a very small number might switch to the Tories. So long as the Tory vote held up that would result into a swing to the Tories.

[RYH64E]

davepoth said:

Ah, but that would only be the case if we assume that it would rely on people switching their vote.

People very rarely switch their vote. However, what often happens is that people who normally vote for a party decide not to, and people who didn't previously vote decide to vote.

The likelihood would be that a significant number of labour voters would just not turn up to vote, a few might switch from Labour to UKIP, and a very small number might switch to the Tories. So long as the Tory vote held up that would result into a swing to the Tories.

There're a lot of lifelong Tory voters who might be tempted to vote for a party with a softer approach to Brexit, myself included.

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

The EUs red line might be no UK access to the Single market but we don't know as the negotiations commence after the triggering.

Why do people still not understand this.

Being a member of the WTO gives access to the single market for items covered by the WTO agreements, the EU can not block that.

The EU can only block access to items not covered by the international agreements they have signed up to.

[anonymous-user]

RYH64E said:

There're a lot of lifelong Tory voters who might be tempted to vote for a party with a softer approach to Brexit, myself included.

Would you vote in a way that would make Corbyn our PM?

[irocfan]

RYH64E said:

I wouldn't be so sure about the majority. Yes, Leave won the referendum, but only just, to listen to some of the comments you would think that they won by a massive majority, which wasn't the case. And a significant percentage of leave voters wouldn't vote Conservative under any circumstances.

ditto for Tories voting labour

[dbdb]

RYH64E said:

davepoth said:

Ah, but that would only be the case if we assume that it would rely on people switching their vote.

People very rarely switch their vote. However, what often happens is that people who normally vote for a party decide not to, and people who didn't previously vote decide to vote.

The likelihood would be that a significant number of labour voters would just not turn up to vote, a few might switch from Labour to UKIP, and a very small number might switch to the Tories. So long as the Tory vote held up that would result into a swing to the Tories.

There're a lot of lifelong Tory voters who might be tempted to vote for a party with a softer approach to Brexit, myself included.

Me too. I wouldn't vote Conservative now, but did at the last several elections. I know a few people who also say they will do this: it isn't rare. The Conservatives could have a real problem on their Centrist flank.

[RYH64E]

jsf said:

Would you vote in a way that would make Corbyn our PM?

I'll vote for whatever party best represents my interests.