Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[General Price]

[Vaud]

fblm said:

FFS. That actually makes me fvcking angry. How can they have such contempt for education? I suppose an educated population is the last thing socialists need. Trash, the lot of 'em.

Doesn't bother me. As long as she is on top of the brief, I don't mind how she got to her post as shadow education minister.

Philosophical question - what is the minimum level of qualification for an education minister? GCSE? A-levels? BA/BSc? MA/MSc? DPhil? etc... or should they have experience in teaching as part of the education system?

She'll never be in power anyway...

[Einion Yrth]

Vaud said:

Philosophical question - what is the minimum level of qualification for an education minister?

Practical answer, a degree; any quality, any institution.

Same goes for any office of state.

[Dr Jekyll]

Einion Yrth said:

Vaud said:

Philosophical question - what is the minimum level of qualification for an education minister?

Practical answer, a degree; any quality, any institution.

Same goes for any office of state.

Just as well we didn't have that rule in Churchill's day.

[Vaud]

Dr Jekyll said:

Just as well we didn't have that rule in Churchill's day.

Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis...

The majority (from a quick scan) since the 70s attended Oxbridge.

[irocfan]

Crackie said:

irocfan said:

pim said:

...the majority of kids having a poor education.

and the question happens to be why have educational standards dropped over the years? Surely it couldn't have anything to do with teachers being more interested in politics than y'know actually teaching

Complete and absolute B0LL0CKS............. your education may have been sub standard but to stereotype teachers that way is beyond ridiculous.

well then teach care to explain how our educational standards have dropped off so 'impressively'?

[anonymous-user]

Einion Yrth said:

Vaud said:

Philosophical question - what is the minimum level of qualification for an education minister?

Practical answer, a degree; any quality, any institution.

Same goes for any office of state.

Why?

[Gargamel]

Vaud said:

Doesn't bother me. As long as she is on top of the brief, I don't mind how she got to her post as shadow education minister.

Philosophical question - what is the minimum level of qualification for an education minister? GCSE? A-levels? BA/BSc? MA/MSc? DPhil? etc... or should they have experience in teaching as part of the education system?

She'll never be in power anyway...

Given that any Secondary Teacher will need a Degree, you'd think that the Minister ought to be I of a similar standard.

Personally I don't have an issue with it, provided she can understand what her civil servants are telling her she will be like most ministers.

[anonymous-user]

desolate said:

Einion Yrth said:

Vaud said:

Philosophical question - what is the minimum level of qualification for an education minister?

Practical answer, a degree; any quality, any institution.

Same goes for any office of state.

Why?

Because its the yardstick of intelligence and thinking ability.

If you were commanded in the army by someone who only had experience at failing with a pea shooter would you be happy?

[anonymous-user]

V6Pushfit said:

Because its the yardstick of intelligence and thinking ability.

It used to be, it's not anymore.

From my own life experiences, I'd rather deal with someone with real life experience and skills than someone who has a piece of paper that says they managed to attain a degree but has no common sense or experience.

this particular MP though, dear god...........

[anonymous-user]

V6Pushfit said:

Because its the yardstick of intelligence and thinking ability.

If you were commanded in the army by someone who only had experience at failing with a pea shooter would you be happy?

It's A yardstick certainly, but not the only yardstick.

We need a mix of people in positions of influence and power, in my opinion.

I'm bored of all the PPE Oxbridge muppets.

[Mr Snrub]

desolate said:

V6Pushfit said:

Because its the yardstick of intelligence and thinking ability.

If you were commanded in the army by someone who only had experience at failing with a pea shooter would you be happy?

It's A yardstick certainly, but not the only yardstick.

We need a mix of people in positions of influence and power, in my opinion.

I'm bored of all the PPE Oxbridge muppets.

But someone who decided she couldn't be bothered, get knocked up and drop out potentially in charge of our entire education system?

[anonymous-user]

desolate said:

V6Pushfit said:

Because its the yardstick of intelligence and thinking ability.

If you were commanded in the army by someone who only had experience at failing with a pea shooter would you be happy?

It's A yardstick certainly, but not the only yardstick.

We need a mix of people in positions of influence and power, in my opinion.

I'm bored of all the PPE Oxbridge muppets.

Yeah right. So the mix includes muppets then. Great idea.

[anonymous-user]

I don't know enough about this particular MP, but she has made the effort to become an MP which is not the easiest thing in the world to do.
So it's not as if she has been given the job after a jobcentre plus interview.

[Stickyfinger]

desolate said:

It's A yardstick certainly, but not the only yardstick.

We need a mix of people in positions of influence and power, in my opinion.

I'm bored of all the PPE Oxbridge muppets.

She would be better at Health, she has "Maternity",Health (as a carer) experience , that should be a qualification to run the National Health Service under The Jezza Soviet.
She has the university of life in her pocket as well : by being the gobby cow who lived off the union expenses and had shed loads of time off on "union business"

Edited by Stickyfinger on Saturday 1st October 23:06

[Dr Jekyll]

V6Pushfit said:

Because its the yardstick of intelligence and thinking ability.

If you were commanded in the army by someone who only had experience at failing with a pea shooter would you be happy?

There are plenty of people with intelligence and thinking ability that don't have degrees, and vice versa. Incidentally plenty of army officers without degrees.

[anonymous-user]

Dr Jekyll said:

There are plenty of people with intelligence and thinking ability that don't have degrees, and vice versa. Incidentally plenty of army officers without degrees.

Labour has to make do with the calibre of people they have.

That's why they are where they are.

[Crafty_]

V6Pushfit said:

Because its the yardstick of intelligence and thinking ability.

If you were commanded in the army by someone who only had experience at failing with a pea shooter would you be happy?

Disagree to be honest, I think the value of a degree is much reduced these days. 3 years reading the paper (sorry, doing a "media studies" degree) doesn't mean much imho.

Intelligence and aptitude aren't gained by pissing it up against a wall for 3 years. You either have it or you don't. Some that do, study, others decide to take a different path.

Ed Balls was educated at Oxford and Harvard, by your reckoning that puts him at the top of the tree. Many would disagree.

[powerstroke]

Lipstick on a pig !!!!

[jmorgan]

desolate said:

I don't know enough about this particular MP, but she has made the effort to become an MP which is not the easiest thing in the world to do.
So it's not as if she has been given the job after a jobcentre plus interview.

Having heard some of the acceptance speeches after elections at the ballot count, many are deluded, many are thick as hell, some smart cookies and some that know where the real power is. Some are also parachuted into a safe seat as long as they sing to that parties tune. I expect there is a broad spectrum of ability but overriding asset, a thick skin. Twaddle is one qualification I think.

Edited by jmorgan on Sunday 2nd October 09:04