School Girl Abducted

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Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

151 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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The Spruce goose said:
lets be honest this is a rare event, more common is abuse that happens daily by family/friends etc, and usually goes unnoticed due to a lot of factors.
Exactly.

Abuse against women and girls is not as uncommon as we all like to think, and it mostly happens where they should feel safest.

Sorry to go on - but some of the stories my friend has told me about women she has helped would reduce you to tears.

Robertj21a

16,475 posts

104 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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anonymous said:
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Why should there be any reference to E European ?

schmunk

4,399 posts

124 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Robertj21a said:
Why should there be any reference to E European ?
Brexit means Brexit.

98elise

26,376 posts

160 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Sickening. Rape is a terrible crime, but the added horror of abduction, multiple rapists, prolonged assault, and the age of the girl just multiples the shock.

I will be amazed if they don't have arrests in a couple of days. In a busy area there is going to be CCTV footage, even if its just them entering or leaving the area. It won't take much to tie up the times and number of people in the car.


anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Sexual offence victim's fault and some link to Islam.

Standard PH. Just need a Breitbart article.

Hopefully there has been some good forensic recovery. If the offender/s aren't on the database that would make me question whether or not they've been in the UK long. Of course they could simply be unknown, but it's a high level offence to start with.




dandarez

13,246 posts

282 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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The Spruce goose said:
lets be honest this is a rare event, more common is abuse that happens daily by family/friends etc, and usually goes unnoticed due to a lot of factors.
Police here (Oxford) today saying what you are, that this kind of incident is extremely rare.

NSPCC has jumped in, just said the same, extremely rare.

CAAA has requested a Freedom of Information request to TVT (Thames Valley Police)...

apparently FoI request has revealed nine children were abducted by people (other than their parents) in this policing area alone - during 2014/2015!

Rare? I suppose 9 is not many, wonder what the UK number is? Shocking statistic imo.

As an aside, police still asking for public help. How do they know the car was silver, and a VW? Poor girl is so traumatised (police description), I doubt it came from her.


Edited by dandarez on Thursday 29th September 20:12

MG CHRIS

9,077 posts

166 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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La Liga said:
Sexual offence victim's fault and some link to Islam.

Standard PH. Just need a Breitbart article.

Hopefully there has been some good forensic recovery. If the offender/s aren't on the database that would make me question whether or not they've been in the UK long. Of course they could simply be unknown, but it's a high level offence to start with.
Did they looked like someone thought another poster said that but didn't.

Terriable situation for the poor girl hope s are caught and fked over themselves in the most violent of british prison.

Dr Doofenshmirtz

15,186 posts

199 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Hopefully anyone with a dashcam who drives in that area has saved what they have.
It's one of the busiest areas of Oxford especially during the morning rush hour.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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dandarez said:
The Spruce goose said:
lets be honest this is a rare event, more common is abuse that happens daily by family/friends etc, and usually goes unnoticed due to a lot of factors.
Police here (Oxford) today saying what you are, that this kind of incident is extremely rare.

NSPCC has jumped in, just said the same, extremely rare.

CAAA has requested a Freedom of Information request to TVT (Thames Valley Police)...

apparently FoI request has revealed nine children were abducted by people (other than their parents) in this policing area alone - during 2014/2015!

Rare? I suppose 9 is not many, wonder what the UK number is? Shocking statistic imo.

As an aside, police still asking for public help. How do they know the car was silver, and a VW? Poor girl is so traumatised (police description), I doubt it came from her.
The combination of a stranger child rape / child abduction are likely to be very rare.

'Child Abduction' encompasses a wide range of circumstances and not just the most immediate image of someone being physically 'snatched' against their will etc. It could be within the context of CSE where a consenting 15 year old girl from a care home keeps running away to the flat of an 18 year old male after the male old texts her encouraging her to do so.


968

11,945 posts

247 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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anonymous said:
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Well you were very quick to suggest the girl was making it up. Do you still think that to be the case?

dandarez

13,246 posts

282 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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La Liga said:
dandarez said:
The Spruce goose said:
lets be honest this is a rare event, more common is abuse that happens daily by family/friends etc, and usually goes unnoticed due to a lot of factors.
Police here (Oxford) today saying what you are, that this kind of incident is extremely rare.

NSPCC has jumped in, just said the same, extremely rare.

CAAA has requested a Freedom of Information request to TVT (Thames Valley Police)...

apparently FoI request has revealed nine children were abducted by people (other than their parents) in this policing area alone - during 2014/2015!

Rare? I suppose 9 is not many, wonder what the UK number is? Shocking statistic imo.

As an aside, police still asking for public help. How do they know the car was silver, and a VW? Poor girl is so traumatised (police description), I doubt it came from her.
The combination of a stranger child rape / child abduction are likely to be very rare.

'Child Abduction' encompasses a wide range of circumstances and not just the most immediate image of someone being physically 'snatched' against their will etc. It could be within the context of CSE where a consenting 15 year old girl from a care home keeps running away to the flat of an 18 year old male after the male old texts her encouraging her to do so.
Strange account of 'abduction' you give.
Words are my living - I always understood that 'abduction' meant the action of forcibly taking someone away against their will. Your account seems nearer enticement!

If that's within the context, then they should fking well refine it!

Astacus

3,363 posts

233 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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The first time I have heard the police ask for dash cam or helmet cam footage. Sounds like a very good idea. Hopefully it gives them a good lead. There must have been a fair few people with that sort of tech driving around Oxford today.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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dandarez said:
Strange account of 'abduction' you give.
!
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37504781

''Its report Taken, which used data from UK police forces in 2011-12, found that 42% of all abduction attempts were made by strangers - and three quarters of the attempts were unsuccessful.''

''However, offences by strangers are still quite rare - with the NSPCC pointing out that more than 90% of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by someone known to the child.''

''The problem is that many attempts go unreported, said Mr Newiss. Certainly, the 2008 study claimed that only 33% of incidents it recorded were reported to the police. ''

So could be much worse than police stats.

Short Grain

2,743 posts

219 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Whoever is responsible, she's 14 years old ffs! They need catching and stringing up!
What the girl does not need is people casting doubt on / about Her!!
Abducted on the way to school so 8 - 8.30, Rush Hour and nobody saw anything?. Is there no CCTV on that stretch of road?

Just read about the police request for dashcam / helmet footage, very good idea. Busy road at rush hour, somebody must have something!

Edited by Short Grain on Thursday 29th September 23:33

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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dandarez said:
La Liga said:
dandarez said:
The Spruce goose said:
lets be honest this is a rare event, more common is abuse that happens daily by family/friends etc, and usually goes unnoticed due to a lot of factors.
Police here (Oxford) today saying what you are, that this kind of incident is extremely rare.

NSPCC has jumped in, just said the same, extremely rare.

CAAA has requested a Freedom of Information request to TVT (Thames Valley Police)...

apparently FoI request has revealed nine children were abducted by people (other than their parents) in this policing area alone - during 2014/2015!

Rare? I suppose 9 is not many, wonder what the UK number is? Shocking statistic imo.

As an aside, police still asking for public help. How do they know the car was silver, and a VW? Poor girl is so traumatised (police description), I doubt it came from her.
The combination of a stranger child rape / child abduction are likely to be very rare.

'Child Abduction' encompasses a wide range of circumstances and not just the most immediate image of someone being physically 'snatched' against their will etc. It could be within the context of CSE where a consenting 15 year old girl from a care home keeps running away to the flat of an 18 year old male after the male old texts her encouraging her to do so.
Strange account of 'abduction' you give.
Words are my living - I always understood that 'abduction' meant the action of forcibly taking someone away against their will. Your account seems nearer enticement!

If that's within the context, then they should fking well refine it!
The most immediate image is a physical, violent one when it comes to child abduction / kidnapping, but both laws can be achieved through non-physical means. The dictionary definition also makes reference to this (which is sometimes a little different from the legal definition).

If I entice an 8 year old stranger into my car with the offer of sweets (so they 'consent'), then I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see this as abduction / kidnap. A real life example would be James Bulger prior to the murder.




Short Grain

2,743 posts

219 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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La Liga said:
he most immediate image is a physical, violent one when it comes to child abduction / kidnapping, but both laws can be achieved through non-physical means. The dictionary definition also makes reference to this (which is sometimes a little different from the legal definition).

If I entice an 8 year old stranger into my car with the offer of sweets (so they 'consent'), then I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see this as abduction / kidnap. A real life example would be James Bulger prior to the murder.
Was sure the original report stated 'forced into a car by 2 men' Now states 'may have been hugged so passers-by may not have realised what was happening'!

Pesty

42,655 posts

255 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Bear hugged and forced into car

fttm

3,666 posts

134 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Vocal Minority said:
Unbelievably saddening. A friend of mine works with adult victims of this crime. It takes decades to truly get over - if they ever can - many can never put it behind them. This poor girl's life has been ruined. frown

The default position of some on here to always want to call bull and prove its all a swizz (presumably because it makes them feel clever, and like they are a step ahead of everyone else). It's not PH at it's classiest to put it mildly

There are no words to describe this sort of act. The perpetrators need to spend a great deal of time behind bars because of this and even just hearing the horrible headlines of it a whole life tariff feels like the only option.

I don't advocate vigilante activity - mostly because it just ends up with the mob pursuing a vendetta against a group they don't like - someone mentioned E. Europeans earlier for absolutely no reason for example. Not only does this mean some innocent people stand a chance of being caught up, the guilty party then gets away with it - but the mob are happy as they have someone to blame almost regardless of their guilt- to me that is not justice.

When someone is caught and found guilty and they are stupid enough to get within arms reach of her father though, I think whatever response he had would be completely understood (as an understatement and a half).

Edited by Vocal Minority on Thursday 29th September 17:44
Change your user name to the Vocal Majority , convicted scum should always be shown into a private room with the victims family .

TonyToniTone

3,420 posts

248 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Soov535 said:
Er, WHAT?

Where did than come from? Typical!
Oh dear..

LHRFlightman

1,929 posts

169 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Girls approached by two white men in a Ford Transit on Thursday in Ash Surrey. They were asked if they wanted to go for a ride in the van.

The girls are year 8's!

They cycled back to school and reported it to the office. Police now doing extra patrols in the afternoons.

Scum!