School Girl Abducted

[baldy1926]

LHRFlightman said:

Girls approached by two white men in a Ford Transit on Thursday in Ash Surrey. They were asked if they wanted to go for a ride in the van.

The girls are year 8's!

They cycled back to school and reported it to the office. Police now doing extra patrols in the afternoons.

Scum!

How old is year 8

[CoolHands]

12-13

[Jasandjules]

Find them. Shoot them.

[ralphrj]

Oxford girl 'abduction did not take place'

Article said:

Detectives said they were no longer investigating the abduction, but were still looking into rape allegations.

[Pickled Piper]

greygoose said:

bhstewie said:

I do find it a bit disturbing how some of you seem to almost have a default reaction of "It didn't happen"

It seems a common reaction to news in here, things are a conspiracy, misreported by the media to benefit some group the posters don't like. The posts blaming the girl for making it up as she was probably a truant are disgusting.

Police now stating the abduction didn't happen.

[Thankyou4calling]

No surprise there. I posted on the very day the news came out (as did others) that it was likely a fantasy.

Girl wanted to get attention. End of story.

[Pickled Piper]

BigLion said:

Pickled Piper said:

Something doesn't add up.

Not wanting to cast aspersions, but could well be an excuse by the girl for skipping school.

It doesn't fit the normal street grooming abuse type modus operandi as this usually happens late in the evening.

Disgusting to default to this position - it's a 12 year old girl who is randomly knocking on doors for help ffs. Sickos on this thread!

If it looks too incredible to be true then it usually is. As a number of posters stated at the time, there was definitely something more to the story.

Daylight abductions of teenagers are thankfully rare.

[Dr Murdoch]

Thankyou4calling said:

No surprise there. I posted on the very day the news came out (as did others) that it was likely a fantasy.

Girl wanted to get attention. End of story.

Indeed, but why are the continuing with the rape allegation?

Did it transpire that she got in the car, but didn't quite anticipate what was going to happen?

Think you're right tbh, just playing devils advicate

[br d]

Pickled Piper said:

If it looks too incredible to be true then it usually is. As a number of posters stated at the time, there was definitely something more to the story.

Daylight abductions of teenagers are thankfully rare.

Very restrained PP. You could have gone for full on PH "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" lunacy there.

Good news this didn't happen, cry for help possibly.

[bitchstewie]

Pickled Piper said:

Police now stating the abduction didn't happen.

I can't say I'm massively surprised, but there's a difference between it being one of the possibilities vs. the default stance IMO.

[Pickled Piper]

bhstewie said:

Pickled Piper said:

Police now stating the abduction didn't happen.

I can't say I'm massively surprised, but there's a difference between it being one of the possibilities vs. the default stance IMO.

I can't speak for others but my comments weren't a "default stance". I am a parent of two teenagers. Part of the "job" is to objectively assess risks and prepare the children accordingly and not to be distracted by alarmist reactions, like the ones to this abduction report. Teenagers face real risks in their daily lives. Some of these, not necessarily in order are:-

Getting run over whilst distracted (usually looking at their mobile phone)
Getting sent pictures of someones private bits
Cyber bullying
Internet grooming
Street grooming

Being abducted in broad daylight whilst walking to school is way down the list. In fact it doesn't even feature on the list.

[rdjohn]

Dr Murdoch said:

Indeed, but why are the continuing with the rape allegation?

Did it transpire that she got in the car, but didn't quite anticipate what was going to happen?

Think you're right tbh, just playing devils advicate

It is rape because she is under age, and so cannot be judged consensual.

[Dr Murdoch]

rdjohn said:

It is rape because she is under age, and so cannot be judged consensual.

I thought that would be classed as 'sexual activity with a child under 16'? She was over 13 so it wouldn't be classed as rape, no?

[Bigends]

Dr Murdoch said:

rdjohn said:

It is rape because she is under age, and so cannot be judged consensual.

I thought that would be classed as 'sexual activity with a child under 16'? She was over 13 so it wouldn't be classed as rape, no?

Correct - only statutory Rape if shes under 13. If shes had consensual sex with anyone - itll be sexual activity. Used to be illegal under 16yrs of age

[anonymous-user]

I'm not so happy to spend time and money on false allegations (assuming it's as simplistic as that) as it takes significant resources away from other areas.

bhstewie said:

Pickled Piper said:

Police now stating the abduction didn't happen.

I can't say I'm massively surprised, but there's a difference between it being one of the possibilities vs. the default stance IMO.

Indeed. People speculate and because their speculation turns out to be correct they convince themselves they have some savvy insight, when basically they've basically guessed the outcome.

Who on here knows the ratio of false allegations of this nature vs the truthful ones for this demographic? Exactly. So without knowing the prior probabilities it's rather hard to start to assess what is 'likely' or not from very superficial information.

[steveatesh]

La Liga]ndeed...... [snip said:

Who on here knows the ratio of false allegations of this nature vs the truthful ones for this demographic? Exactly. So without knowing the prior probabilities it's rather hard to start to assess what is 'likely' or not from very superficial information.

A quick check suggests false rape stats are hard to come by, for example here:

https://fullfact.org/crime/false-rape-allegations-...

But others claim it is much more, e.g. The comments referring to HMIC ( but no link so treat with caution) here:

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why-i...

Of course whether it's likely or not is irrelevant as each case should be investigated on its merits. In this case the police apparently have evidence that suggests no abduction took place. However this doesn't mean the girl was not raped and so it's still being investigated. Whether she was or not will hopefully fall out of the investigation.

[anonymous-user]

steveatesh said:

A quick check suggests false rape stats are hard to come by, for example here

The abduction element has been negated.

[Bigends]

La Liga said:

steveatesh said:

A quick check suggests false rape stats are hard to come by, for example here

The abduction element has been negated.

I review all of my forces rape reports if submitted for cancellation - less than a handful of false reports so far this year out of 600 odd recorded reports to date

[Derek Smith]

Bigends said:

I review all of my forces rape reports if submitted for cancellation - less than a handful of false reports so far this year out of 600 odd recorded reports to date

More than two a day.

Could you say what, or what kind of, force you are in?

[Bigends]

Derek Smith said:

Bigends said:

I review all of my forces rape reports if submitted for cancellation - less than a handful of false reports so far this year out of 600 odd recorded reports to date

More than two a day.

Could you say what, or what kind of, force you are in?

Just an average home counties force. Recording rules have changed drastically since our day Derek - no more sitting victims on hard chairs to see whether they squirmed or not to indicate whether or not theyd been raped or sending them home to think about whether or they really wished to make a report. The mention of rape is enough to get them recorded now - a legacy of the old school recording standards. No more visits by Detectives to talk victims out of the allegations any more either. We record in order to investigate now - not the other way round