School Girl Abducted

[anonymous-user]

Bigends said:

La Liga said:

steveatesh said:

A quick check suggests false rape stats are hard to come by, for example here

The abduction element has been negated.

I review all of my forces rape reports if submitted for cancellation - less than a handful of false reports so far this year out of 600 odd recorded reports to date

I've never seen any evidence there's a plentiful number of women willing to make false allegations. It appears to be a commonly held belief on here that there are, or that they want "compo"

The approaches, as you describe, are much better than they have been previously. It's a massive thing for people to report being the subject of a serious sexual offence.

[Bigends]

La Liga said:

Bigends said:

La Liga said:

steveatesh said:

A quick check suggests false rape stats are hard to come by, for example here

The abduction element has been negated.

I review all of my forces rape reports if submitted for cancellation - less than a handful of false reports so far this year out of 600 odd recorded reports to date

I've never seen any evidence there's a plentiful number of women willing to make false allegations. It appears to be a commonly held belief on here that there are, or that they want "compo"

The approaches, as you describe, are much better than they have been previously. It's a massive thing for people to report being the subject of a serious sexual offence.

Victims of historical rapes and sexual assaults also have the confidence to report now. We're getting reports from the 50's onwards now. Theres often not much that can be done but it helps the victim to try and get some closure - many have had their lives totall fu**ed up by stuff thata happened in the past and they didnt dare report or knew they would be ignored

[Bigends]

An extract from a recent report on crime outcomes -

The transferred or cancelled rate for rape offences in the year ending March 2016 was 6.1 per cent,
up from 5.3 per cent in the previous year. It is likely that the increase in the proportion of crimes that
were transferred or cancelled is linked to the improvements and developments in crime recording that
have been highlighted in earlier chapters. In particular, recording rules changed in April 2015 to
ensure crimes were recorded by the police as soon as possible and in any event, within 24 hours. This
is likely to have had a particular impact for rape offences. Furthermore, the push for more victimfocused
crime recording (as referenced in Chapter 2) is also likely to have led to more crimes being
recorded that are subsequently transferred or cancelled as police are now recording crimes at the first
(or an early) point of contact and subsequently establishing further into the investigation that such a
transfer or cancellation is justified.

Heres the whole report


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

[Derek Smith]

Bigends said:

Just an average home counties force. Recording rules have changed drastically since our day Derek - no more sitting victims on hard chairs to see whether they squirmed or not to indicate whether or not theyd been raped or sending them home to think about whether or they really wished to make a report. The mention of rape is enough to get them recorded now - a legacy of the old school recording standards. No more visits by Detectives to talk victims out of the allegations any more either. We record in order to investigate now - not the other way round

To be fair, these were the preferred option even in the gas lit days when I was in the force. A female DCC helped. When I complained that women were being forced into ID parades when there was ample ID evidence via DNA and other methods, including admissions by the defendant that he'd had sex, she took it to the Home Office. We also had victim suites all done out to suggest a suburban house, special considerations at IDs, that sort of thing. I'm not sure we could even be said to have been in the vanguard. I went to visit another force to see how they ran IDs for 'vulnerable' victims and took away some of their methods. So perhaps following the leaders.

I accept, agree, that some investigators were not necessarily committed to the new ways, but we had systems to check them. There was one where the victim was persuasive but her story didn't pan out - good detective work - and this was checked by someone 'independent' before it was allowed to be no crimed.

I remember getting a pull about one ID parade given the way a victim had reacted. I'd made a decision and then had to justify it. In the old days, no one would have bothered.

That said, I know how much better things are now. I still liaise with the police - at a meeting with a divisional commander who appeared younger than my youngest recently - so I have a little idea of the improvements, despite the pressures blocking such things.

[Bigends]

Derek Smith said:

Bigends said:

Just an average home counties force. Recording rules have changed drastically since our day Derek - no more sitting victims on hard chairs to see whether they squirmed or not to indicate whether or not theyd been raped or sending them home to think about whether or they really wished to make a report. The mention of rape is enough to get them recorded now - a legacy of the old school recording standards. No more visits by Detectives to talk victims out of the allegations any more either. We record in order to investigate now - not the other way round

To be fair, these were the preferred option even in the gas lit days when I was in the force. A female DCC helped. When I complained that women were being forced into ID parades when there was ample ID evidence via DNA and other methods, including admissions by the defendant that he'd had sex, she took it to the Home Office. We also had victim suites all done out to suggest a suburban house, special considerations at IDs, that sort of thing. I'm not sure we could even be said to have been in the vanguard. I went to visit another force to see how they ran IDs for 'vulnerable' victims and took away some of their methods. So perhaps following the leaders.

I accept, agree, that some investigators were not necessarily committed to the new ways, but we had systems to check them. There was one where the victim was persuasive but her story didn't pan out - good detective work - and this was checked by someone 'independent' before it was allowed to be no crimed.

I remember getting a pull about one ID parade given the way a victim had reacted. I'd made a decision and then had to justify it. In the old days, no one would have bothered.

That said, I know how much better things are now. I still liaise with the police - at a meeting with a divisional commander who appeared younger than my youngest recently - so I have a little idea of the improvements, despite the pressures blocking such things.

Weve had no pressure from the home office for years in relation to crime recording and clear up rates - the pressures all internal now.
Rapes can only be cancelled by my forces Deputy Chief ar by an accredited crime registrar - ours hasnt been accredited a yet - so thyere not cancelled lightly

[anonymous-user]

The most constructive changes has been the move away from numerical indications being used as primary performance measurements e.g. number of recorded crimes and detections.

[anonymous-user]

Pickled Piper said:

I can't speak for others but my comments weren't a "default stance". I am a parent of two teenagers. Part of the "job" is to objectively assess risks and prepare the children accordingly and not to be distracted by alarmist reactions, like the ones to this abduction report. Teenagers face real risks in their daily lives. Some of these, not necessarily in order are:-

Getting run over whilst distracted (usually looking at their mobile phone)
Getting sent pictures of someones private bits
Cyber bullying
Internet grooming
Street grooming

Being abducted in broad daylight whilst walking to school is way down the list. In fact it doesn't even feature on the list.

Can I just say how sensible, down to earth and switched on you are.

[steveatesh]

La Liga said:

steveatesh said:

A quick check suggests false rape stats are hard to come by, for example here

The abduction element has been negated.

You should probably read my full post again LL, I actually said that further down.

My post was in response to yours about fakes rape stats and figures earlier. I believe we are both in agreement with each other!