British GP under threat again
Discussion
Looks like the rising cost is an issue again and it may not exist after 2019
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126416
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/126416
Eric Mc said:
Good, the sooner the old traditional tracks are abandoned, the quicker F1 will die and be replaced by a genuine Grand Prix series based in the "home " of GP racing, Europe.
Will that happen though, or will it simply move entirely to countries with conspicuous rich/poor divides where governments are happy to subsidise circuits for the kudos of having an F1 race?Strikes me that F1 needs owners who are interested in its long term sustainability, not just a bunch of short-termist venture capitalists who want to make a fast buck before flogging it to the next bunch of short-termist venture capitalists.
stevesuk said:
So potentially Sky will have achieved exclusive UK F1 coverage in 2019, but without the British GP to entice casual fans in to subscribing 
The moment it goes fully over to Sky is when I will definitely not watch it anymore. No Sky for me, so no chance to watch.However, as the racing itself hasn't really been very interesting to me for a while now, I may be gone before then.
I hope next year's rule changes spice it up a bit. If not, I'm out.
funkyrobot said:
The moment it goes fully over to Sky is when I will definitely not watch it anymore.
Ditto here, save for possibly a few races that I'll catch on Now TV but I can see my interest waning. I saw some GP2 coverage on YouTube recently and the cars sounded fantastic and didn't look noticeably slower. If I'm going to pay to watch single seater racing GP2 will get my money ahead of F1.Is this an attempt to move for better conditions with the new owners? 5% year on year is a financial burden without multiple funding sources. Further, it is probable that Silverstone will have new owners soon and this might well be a way of putting pressure on the new owners without the risk of comeback. Not that I'm suggesting Ecclestone might to something like, oh! i don't know, move the race to a different slot, perhaps a time when it is cold and likely to rain. I know that's extremely unlikely. No one who loved F1 would do that.
There's still breath in the old dog, but perhaps Warwick thinks he's got bigger worries or, perhaps, can't act arbitrarily. Or do I mean arbitrarily any more?
There's still breath in the old dog, but perhaps Warwick thinks he's got bigger worries or, perhaps, can't act arbitrarily. Or do I mean arbitrarily any more?
MSV are apparently in talks to buy Silverstone after JLR were blocked from doing so, if MSV (or anyone else) decided to buy it they will have to retain the GP to have any hope of securing the investors / banks money.
The GP has made a profit in the last few years with capacity crowds thanks to the £99 (or £125 for the weekend) tickets. The guy who they put in charge and started this off has sadly left now I understand.
I'm curious to see what MSV would do if they bought the place.
The GP has made a profit in the last few years with capacity crowds thanks to the £99 (or £125 for the weekend) tickets. The guy who they put in charge and started this off has sadly left now I understand.
I'm curious to see what MSV would do if they bought the place.
Bernie has made F1 extremely exciting as a business but slowly killing it as a sport.
When Jean Todt became the FIA President I was overjoyed. As we all know he was part of Ferrari F1 and Talbot/Peugeot during the group B era.
I really thought with him at the helm the FIA would change for the better.
Unfortunately Jean Todt has been missing in action since taking over in 2009. In fact has he died??
At least Max Mosley came out of his sex dungeon and was seen around the World.
Jean-Marie Balestre was very much old school but again he was seen all the time.
It is actually a shame A1 GP did not do so well. Would have loved to have another series worth watching.
The only racing IMO worth watching is Moto GP. At least it is exciting but again only on BT Sport which I will never pay for.
When Jean Todt became the FIA President I was overjoyed. As we all know he was part of Ferrari F1 and Talbot/Peugeot during the group B era.
I really thought with him at the helm the FIA would change for the better.
Unfortunately Jean Todt has been missing in action since taking over in 2009. In fact has he died??
At least Max Mosley came out of his sex dungeon and was seen around the World.
Jean-Marie Balestre was very much old school but again he was seen all the time.
It is actually a shame A1 GP did not do so well. Would have loved to have another series worth watching.
The only racing IMO worth watching is Moto GP. At least it is exciting but again only on BT Sport which I will never pay for.
BMW
Audi
Citroen
Renault
Jaguar
Have all announced that will be running full factory teams in Formula E when it finally switches to a one car format in 2019. Those are not tinpot companies, those are some of the leading brands in the motor industry and they have clearly decided that Bernies Money Train is something they don't want to be associated with. Loads of us on here have been banging this drum for a long, long time. Formula One is in deep, deep trouble and needs very serious changes to its entire infrastructure if it is to survive into the future.
On a pure marketing and economic perspective, how long are Mercedes going into continue in F1 if they don't have any real opposition and their two bitter rivals are battling wheel to wheel in another format featuring a technology that they rightly or wrongly consider to be the future? Much as people on here hate it, Formula E is not going anywhere and with those companies, the money that is being thrown at & the rule changes coming in, the people who are going to be running F1 in the future need to get a grip asap.
Audi
Citroen
Renault
Jaguar
Have all announced that will be running full factory teams in Formula E when it finally switches to a one car format in 2019. Those are not tinpot companies, those are some of the leading brands in the motor industry and they have clearly decided that Bernies Money Train is something they don't want to be associated with. Loads of us on here have been banging this drum for a long, long time. Formula One is in deep, deep trouble and needs very serious changes to its entire infrastructure if it is to survive into the future.
On a pure marketing and economic perspective, how long are Mercedes going into continue in F1 if they don't have any real opposition and their two bitter rivals are battling wheel to wheel in another format featuring a technology that they rightly or wrongly consider to be the future? Much as people on here hate it, Formula E is not going anywhere and with those companies, the money that is being thrown at & the rule changes coming in, the people who are going to be running F1 in the future need to get a grip asap.
The Hypno-Toad said:
BMW
Audi
Citroen
Renault
Jaguar
Have all announced that will be running full factory teams in Formula E when it finally switches to a one car format in 2019. Those are not tinpot companies, those are some of the leading brands in the motor industry and they have clearly decided that Bernies Money Train is something they don't want to be associated with. Loads of us on here have been banging this drum for a long, long time. Formula One is in deep, deep trouble and needs very serious changes to its entire infrastructure if it is to survive into the future.
On a pure marketing and economic perspective, how long are Mercedes going into continue in F1 if they don't have any real opposition and their two bitter rivals are battling wheel to wheel in another format featuring a technology that they rightly or wrongly consider to be the future? Much as people on here hate it, Formula E is not going anywhere and with those companies, the money that is being thrown at & the rule changes coming in, the people who are going to be running F1 in the future need to get a grip asap.
This is a huge point.Audi
Citroen
Renault
Jaguar
Have all announced that will be running full factory teams in Formula E when it finally switches to a one car format in 2019. Those are not tinpot companies, those are some of the leading brands in the motor industry and they have clearly decided that Bernies Money Train is something they don't want to be associated with. Loads of us on here have been banging this drum for a long, long time. Formula One is in deep, deep trouble and needs very serious changes to its entire infrastructure if it is to survive into the future.
On a pure marketing and economic perspective, how long are Mercedes going into continue in F1 if they don't have any real opposition and their two bitter rivals are battling wheel to wheel in another format featuring a technology that they rightly or wrongly consider to be the future? Much as people on here hate it, Formula E is not going anywhere and with those companies, the money that is being thrown at & the rule changes coming in, the people who are going to be running F1 in the future need to get a grip asap.
As a racing fan I have no interest in Formula E but times are changing and F1 is just pure rubbish now.
The days of beautiful sounding F1 cars with driver focused machines are long gone
The Hypno-Toad said:
BMW
Audi
Citroen
Renault
Jaguar
Have all announced that will be running full factory teams in Formula E when it finally switches to a one car format in 2019. Those are not tinpot companies, those are some of the leading brands in the motor industry and they have clearly decided that Bernies Money Train is something they don't want to be associated with. Loads of us on here have been banging this drum for a long, long time. Formula One is in deep, deep trouble and needs very serious changes to its entire infrastructure if it is to survive into the future.
On a pure marketing and economic perspective, how long are Mercedes going into continue in F1 if they don't have any real opposition and their two bitter rivals are battling wheel to wheel in another format featuring a technology that they rightly or wrongly consider to be the future? Much as people on here hate it, Formula E is not going anywhere and with those companies, the money that is being thrown at & the rule changes coming in, the people who are going to be running F1 in the future need to get a grip asap.
Formula E is a complete joke. watch some races and tell me its the future of motorsport. 1 mile tracks made incredibly narrow around some aprk or other to desperately try and give the impression of speed. Mandatory length pit stops to change cars because they aren't capable of running whole race.Audi
Citroen
Renault
Jaguar
Have all announced that will be running full factory teams in Formula E when it finally switches to a one car format in 2019. Those are not tinpot companies, those are some of the leading brands in the motor industry and they have clearly decided that Bernies Money Train is something they don't want to be associated with. Loads of us on here have been banging this drum for a long, long time. Formula One is in deep, deep trouble and needs very serious changes to its entire infrastructure if it is to survive into the future.
On a pure marketing and economic perspective, how long are Mercedes going into continue in F1 if they don't have any real opposition and their two bitter rivals are battling wheel to wheel in another format featuring a technology that they rightly or wrongly consider to be the future? Much as people on here hate it, Formula E is not going anywhere and with those companies, the money that is being thrown at & the rule changes coming in, the people who are going to be running F1 in the future need to get a grip asap.
Its a joke.
The reason the manufacturers are there is purely for PR "oh yes we do eco cars, look we even race a battery car".
Its all b
ks.The "F1 is dead" is a broken record, we've been hearing it for 20 years. It constantly evolves and changes and next year will possibly see one of the biggest changes that any driver has seen in the regulations.
Mercedes get a huge amount of value from F1 and have no intentions of going anywhere. My own opinion is that they will have serious competition next year - we might just see a Dutchman take the title, if not I reckon it will be the Aussie. Red Bull will be the car to beat.
Crafty_ said:
Formula E is a complete joke. watch some races and tell me its the future of motorsport. 1 mile tracks made incredibly narrow around some aprk or other to desperately try and give the impression of speed. Mandatory length pit stops to change cars because they aren't capable of running whole race.
The reason the manufacturers are there is purely for PR "oh yes we do eco cars, look we even race a battery car".
The second point is a valid one.The reason the manufacturers are there is purely for PR "oh yes we do eco cars, look we even race a battery car".
However, the whole switching cars mid race stuff will be gone by 2019 plus battery power and performance is increasing all the time. It won't be long until they can race on proper circuits.
And to use what I feel is an appropriate comparison, I'm willing to guess that even 12 years ago if you had told everyone who worked for Kodak that by 2016 hardly anyone would be buying 35mm film and everything would have gone digital, I'm sure that they would have found it hilarious.
Things change especially if companies/sports don't listen to what their customers/fans want. (Or if you're Bernie until you bleed it dry.)
Crafty_ said:
Formula E is a complete joke. watch some races and tell me its the future of motorsport. 1 mile tracks made incredibly narrow around some aprk or other to desperately try and give the impression of speed. Mandatory length pit stops to change cars because they aren't capable of running whole race.
Its a joke.
The reason the manufacturers are there is purely for PR "oh yes we do eco cars, look we even race a battery car".
Its all bks.
The "F1 is dead" is a broken record, we've been hearing it for 20 years. It constantly evolves and changes and next year will possibly see one of the biggest changes that any driver has seen in the regulations.
Mercedes get a huge amount of value from F1 and have no intentions of going anywhere. My own opinion is that they will have serious competition next year - we might just see a Dutchman take the title, if not I reckon it will be the Aussie. Red Bull will be the car to beat.
Does anyone actually like the new 1.6 turbo engines?Its a joke.
The reason the manufacturers are there is purely for PR "oh yes we do eco cars, look we even race a battery car".
Its all b
ks.The "F1 is dead" is a broken record, we've been hearing it for 20 years. It constantly evolves and changes and next year will possibly see one of the biggest changes that any driver has seen in the regulations.
Mercedes get a huge amount of value from F1 and have no intentions of going anywhere. My own opinion is that they will have serious competition next year - we might just see a Dutchman take the title, if not I reckon it will be the Aussie. Red Bull will be the car to beat.
Well apart from Hamilton, Rosberg and Mercedes.
Hopefully the new 2017 regulations close up the racing and make the cars at least not sound like a dyson.
The Hypno-Toad said:
And to use what I feel is an appropriate comparison, I'm willing to guess that even 12 years ago if you had told everyone who worked for Kodak that by 2016 hardly anyone would be buying 35mm film and everything would have gone digital, I'm sure that they would have found it hilarious.
I used to visit Kodak factories in the 90's, even 20 years ago they knew the writing was on the wall for film. Kodak was the first company to invent a digital camera in 1975, they launched to market one of the first commercially available digital cameras in 1995.The demise of Kodak was as per usual, down to piss poor management, the engineers were well on top of the technology. They certainly were not laughing 12 years ago at the digital revolution, quite the opposite in fact.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
This is a huge point.
As a racing fan I have no interest in Formula E but times are changing and F1 is just pure rubbish now.
The days of beautiful sounding F1 cars with driver focused machines are long gone
No disrespect but do you REALLY KNOW and understand the output of these hybrid engines?As a racing fan I have no interest in Formula E but times are changing and F1 is just pure rubbish now.
The days of beautiful sounding F1 cars with driver focused machines are long gone
If not I would suggest you take a short train ride on an electric train and feel what happens when the taps are opened.
Go hire a golf 130 blue motion, drive it 50 miles then select sport and boot it through the gears down a motorway slip....
now transfer that to a F1 car and power pack that are already putting in track records they are MONSTER fast..
Edited by Sylvaforever on Saturday 1st October 17:43
Sylvaforever said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
This is a huge point.
As a racing fan I have no interest in Formula E but times are changing and F1 is just pure rubbish now.
The days of beautiful sounding F1 cars with driver focused machines are long gone
No disrespect but do you REALLY KNOW and understand the output of these hybrid engines?As a racing fan I have no interest in Formula E but times are changing and F1 is just pure rubbish now.
The days of beautiful sounding F1 cars with driver focused machines are long gone
If not I would suggest you take a short train ride on an electric train and feel what happens when the taps are opened.
Go hire a golf 130 blue motion, drive it 50 miles then select sport and boot it through the gears down a motorway slip....
now transfer that to a F1 car and power pack that are already putting in track records they are MONSTER fast..
Edited by Sylvaforever on Saturday 1st October 17:43
Every F1 driver is pretty much saying their granny could drive the current generation
For Joe Public - most weeks are as dull as dull can be.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Does anyone actually like the new 1.6 turbo engines?
Well apart from Hamilton, Rosberg and Mercedes.
Hopefully the new 2017 regulations close up the racing and make the cars at least not sound like a dyson.
If you bother to listen to some of the videos rather than the FOM microphones the new cars sound quite cool, they make all sorts of weird and wonderful noises. There were a few links on here a little while ago.Well apart from Hamilton, Rosberg and Mercedes.
Hopefully the new 2017 regulations close up the racing and make the cars at least not sound like a dyson.
The engines (or power units as we should call them) are exactly what F1 has always said its about. A old N/A V8 or V10 at 20,000rpm is not. The V6s are massively impressive from an engineering point of view.
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