Discussion
El stovey said:
AmitG said:
In my view it's more than a rebranding that's needed. It's a fundamental assessment of who they are, what they stand for and whom they represent.
I think a split labour party could do very well. Not the Corby union old labour section obviously. If Gordon brown hadn't had a go at being the PM I could see a centrist Labour Party under Blair then David Milliband or Dan Jarvis or some other new middle ground politician being hugely successful.
Labour are in the wilderness until they free themselves from the current union funding and string pulling which has led to a disastrous era under Brown and then Ed Milliband and Corbyn
The problem for them would be splitting the left even more. Cameron had planned on using the referendum to kill the UKIP/Eurosceptic question once and for all, but when it didn't go as expected, Teresa May has killed the UKIP threat by embracing Brexit, they've nothing to fear from the further right and everything to the left of them is a divided shambles.
With one dominant party in UK politics, more interest in it than ever and a lot of discontent it does seem to leave a large gap for perhaps a new party to fill.
The main problem as I see it is that Brexit is dominating the political discourse, leave have sewn up the result and the Conservatives are owning the leave side. I'm struggling to see what a new / split party can stand on that will get them any traction before we're out.
The main problem as I see it is that Brexit is dominating the political discourse, leave have sewn up the result and the Conservatives are owning the leave side. I'm struggling to see what a new / split party can stand on that will get them any traction before we're out.
Raygun said:
zoom star said:
I have not seen anything of BBCs Laura Kuennesberg (spl) since her question to DT has she been sidelined..??
Perhaps she's working out how else she can sabotage any post brexit deals we're lining up.https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/media?lang=en
Johnnytheboy said:
If there's this desperate, unfilled need for a centre-left party, where does that leave the LibDems?
Ironically in a similar position to UKIP.The more they chase Tory voters the more they lose Labours voters and vice versa.
When they get a sniff of power they make themselves look stupid.
When they don't they can make good points on any given issue but they lack a guiding ideology.
I would like to see the Lib Dems drop te radical socialist ultra PC stuff and focus on civil liberties, as I would like to see UKIP make a small state conservative agenda appealing to working class voters. However as things stand they're both stuck in a sort of limbo of trying to break the 2 party stranglehold by scoring where they can.
glazbagun said:
I am actually wondering if it would be worth putting a bet on Blair starting a new party. They could probably even call it New Labour, since Labour seem to be busy killing off the remaining Blarites. I'm sure Blair realizes he's too toxic to be PM again, and probably wouldn't want the job these days anyway, but there must be enough centrists out there to support such a party and I'm sure there's more money to be found for a Blairite campaign than Corbyn would manage.
The problem for them would be splitting the left even more. Cameron had planned on using the referendum to kill the UKIP/Eurosceptic question once and for all, but when it didn't go as expected, Teresa May has killed the UKIP threat by embracing Brexit, they've nothing to fear from the further right and everything to the left of them is a divided shambles.
The main problem with this idea is that New Labour and Blair would be demonstrably to the right of May and her Conservative government. The problem for them would be splitting the left even more. Cameron had planned on using the referendum to kill the UKIP/Eurosceptic question once and for all, but when it didn't go as expected, Teresa May has killed the UKIP threat by embracing Brexit, they've nothing to fear from the further right and everything to the left of them is a divided shambles.
Johnnytheboy said:
If there's this desperate, unfilled need for a centre-left party, where does that leave the LibDems?
Theresa May, is actually quite centre left, She talks a lot about reinvention of conservatives and making globalisation work for everyone. She's big on social equality but also powers of the state, particularly security and the police. She didn't really want Brexit. She's against cronyism and the old boy network. loafer123 said:
The main problem with this idea is that New Labour and Blair would be demonstrably to the right of May and her Conservative government.
I agree. This is what I find funny about PHers banging on about Blair being socialist and making anti lefty statements. The right wingers on here only really like May and perhaps even Cameron just because they were conservatives. They probably haven't identified with the actual politics since Thatcher left. On a global scale, the conservatives are pretty centrist left really, it's just the UKs huge wage inequality and focus on financial services that makes it look more right wing from the outside.
ked on the referendum. Well in Theresa 
A rare interview with the PM.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrEiR6ZTWQ
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/transcript-a...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrEiR6ZTWQ
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/transcript-a...
don4l said:
I'm surprised that we don't already have a thread about this great woman.
Margaret Thatcher took a couple of years to demonstrate her greatness. Theresa May only took a couple of hours.
Today, she is going to announce her intention to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act.
She has severly clipped the wings of the civil service.
Sir What'sHisName, the civil servant who used to chair many government commitees, is no longer even able to attend the meetings.
By God, this woman is impressive.
I'd have to agree, Cameron's actions to walk out when facing the toughest period in the PM role was borderline disgraceful. And interim Leaders are rarely impressive (we in Australia should know!!) but May has impressed me completely. Margaret Thatcher took a couple of years to demonstrate her greatness. Theresa May only took a couple of hours.
Today, she is going to announce her intention to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act.
She has severly clipped the wings of the civil service.
Sir What'sHisName, the civil servant who used to chair many government commitees, is no longer even able to attend the meetings.
By God, this woman is impressive.
She's facing the biggest challenge the UK has had in the last few decades and has conducted herself extremely well.
Jimboka said:
Cameron did the right thing. Why would he want to be PM when he thought brexit was nuts?
Will be entertaining to watch the deluded Brexiteers deliver the land of milk & honey they have promised . A decade of comedy gold!
Yes let's hope the country falls to ruins so we can have a good old laugh about it and say I told you so!Will be entertaining to watch the deluded Brexiteers deliver the land of milk & honey they have promised . A decade of comedy gold!
AlexC1981 said:
Jimboka said:
Cameron did the right thing. Why would he want to be PM when he thought brexit was nuts?
Will be entertaining to watch the deluded Brexiteers deliver the land of milk & honey they have promised . A decade of comedy gold!
Yes let's hope the country falls to ruins so we can have a good old laugh about it and say I told you so!Will be entertaining to watch the deluded Brexiteers deliver the land of milk & honey they have promised . A decade of comedy gold!
dandarez said:
AlexC1981 said:
Jimboka said:
Cameron did the right thing. Why would he want to be PM when he thought brexit was nuts?
Will be entertaining to watch the deluded Brexiteers deliver the land of milk & honey they have promised . A decade of comedy gold!
Yes let's hope the country falls to ruins so we can have a good old laugh about it and say I told you so!Will be entertaining to watch the deluded Brexiteers deliver the land of milk & honey they have promised . A decade of comedy gold!
who are these deluded Brexiteers ?. Most seem to think the future is undecided but at least it will be ours to make the most off.
The Remoaners have nothing but doom and gloom in their lives and most are desperate for this to fail so they can say I told you so, what a sad way to live.
The Remoaners have nothing but doom and gloom in their lives and most are desperate for this to fail so they can say I told you so, what a sad way to live.
johnxjsc1985 said:
The Remoaners have nothing but doom and gloom in their lives and most are desperate for this to fail so they can say I told you so, what a sad way to live.
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