Discussion
Smollet said:
I find her stance on promoting faith schools is a massive step backwards but I think she's arguably the right person for the job apart from that.
This caught my eye too, I don't think there is much, if any place, for such establishments in 2016, segregation in all its forms is backwards and should be avoided and weeded out wherever possible.I think Don is in love
don4l said:
I'm surprised that we don't already have a thread about this great woman.
We do.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
BlackLabel said:
don4l said:
I'm surprised that we don't already have a thread about this great woman.
We do.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I went back several pages and couldn't find it.
zarjaz1991 said:
Not seen much to impress me so far. Plenty of talk, but even that hasn't been up to very much. Tries to present herself as 'nicer than that nasty Cameron bloke' and, whilst that wouldn't be saying much, she fails to convince even on that.
The opposition being dire doesn't make her a great PM.
I'm not sure what she has done so far, apart from put a clown in the foreign office and idiots supposedly in charge of the negotiations. The opposition being dire doesn't make her a great PM.
There is nothing to suggest she will make the right decisions.
The way to judge someone is by what they have done in the past. She was the home secretary that lied about the police, lied about police funding and spun quite clear facts to mean something quite different. She might well have had a road to Damascus moment but I've seen nothing of it.
The problem is that we heed a person of considerable ability at the helm and she is the one we've got. Like everyone else, I've no idea how she will do but there is a considerable weight of destiny on her.
To suggest, as the op does, that she's shown greatness is a magical moment even for PH.
We must hope that she suddenly decides to seek advice rather than go ahead with half baked ideas.
She has the future of me and my kids in her hands and all she has shown so far in her cabinet life is the ability to pass the buck and to blame others.
Derek Smith said:
I'm not sure what she has done so far, apart from put a clown in the foreign office and idiots supposedly in charge of the negotiations.
There is nothing to suggest she will make the right decisions.
The way to judge someone is by what they have done in the past. She was the home secretary that lied about the police, lied about police funding and spun quite clear facts to mean something quite different. She might well have had a road to Damascus moment but I've seen nothing of it.
The problem is that we heed a person of considerable ability at the helm and she is the one we've got. Like everyone else, I've no idea how she will do but there is a considerable weight of destiny on her.
To suggest, as the op does, that she's shown greatness is a magical moment even for PH.
We must hope that she suddenly decides to seek advice rather than go ahead with half baked ideas.
She has the future of me and my kids in her hands and all she has shown so far in her cabinet life is the ability to pass the buck and to blame others.
I agree. It's well known that I'm, ahem, not always the greatest fan of the police, but her treatment of them has been despicable and has achieved nothing except a lot of bad feeling and mistrust, both by the public and the police themselves.There is nothing to suggest she will make the right decisions.
The way to judge someone is by what they have done in the past. She was the home secretary that lied about the police, lied about police funding and spun quite clear facts to mean something quite different. She might well have had a road to Damascus moment but I've seen nothing of it.
The problem is that we heed a person of considerable ability at the helm and she is the one we've got. Like everyone else, I've no idea how she will do but there is a considerable weight of destiny on her.
To suggest, as the op does, that she's shown greatness is a magical moment even for PH.
We must hope that she suddenly decides to seek advice rather than go ahead with half baked ideas.
She has the future of me and my kids in her hands and all she has shown so far in her cabinet life is the ability to pass the buck and to blame others.
The media seem to conveniently overlook this and present her like some sort of messiah or saviour.
I suppose what it boils down to is...there was nobody else left. This is true in the Labour party also. What a sad shambles our political system has become.
hairyben said:
Her names officially mud in this house as mrs H best friend - a supremely talented musician with muliple high paying work and tour offers has, after years and a probabe 6 figure spend, given up fighting the home office for residency and gone back to australia. He exactly the "kind" person we want but how he has been treated by the home office run by May is disguisting and illegal to the point hes being pressurised and has good grounds to sue and I'd be (out of character) 100% behind him in this.
Aside from that though I'd say she seems quite savvy which does set her apart from most of the dredge of westminister.
I don't get the first bit. Aside from that though I'd say she seems quite savvy which does set her apart from most of the dredge of westminister.
A musician isn't a job "need" for the UK.
Brickies
Plumbers
Plasterers
Electrician's
Drs
Etc
So if it was a strict choice between a needed skill set vs a very nice to have culture then clearly it's going to go the way of specific need.
Derek Smith said:
I'm not sure what she has done so far, apart from put a clown in the foreign office and idiots supposedly in charge of the negotiations.
There is nothing to suggest she will make the right decisions.
The way to judge someone is by what they have done in the past. She was the home secretary that lied about the police, lied about police funding and spun quite clear facts to mean something quite different. She might well have had a road to Damascus moment but I've seen nothing of it.
The problem is that we heed a person of considerable ability at the helm and she is the one we've got. Like everyone else, I've no idea how she will do but there is a considerable weight of destiny on her.
To suggest, as the op does, that she's shown greatness is a magical moment even for PH.
We must hope that she suddenly decides to seek advice rather than go ahead with half baked ideas.
She has the future of me and my kids in her hands and all she has shown so far in her cabinet life is the ability to pass the buck and to blame others.
That's a little hyperbolic isn't it Derek, "even for PH"? We really aren't victims at the hands of a distant elite, or at least we shouldn't be.There is nothing to suggest she will make the right decisions.
The way to judge someone is by what they have done in the past. She was the home secretary that lied about the police, lied about police funding and spun quite clear facts to mean something quite different. She might well have had a road to Damascus moment but I've seen nothing of it.
The problem is that we heed a person of considerable ability at the helm and she is the one we've got. Like everyone else, I've no idea how she will do but there is a considerable weight of destiny on her.
To suggest, as the op does, that she's shown greatness is a magical moment even for PH.
We must hope that she suddenly decides to seek advice rather than go ahead with half baked ideas.
She has the future of me and my kids in her hands and all she has shown so far in her cabinet life is the ability to pass the buck and to blame others.
Welshbeef said:
I don't get the first bit.
A musician isn't a job "need" for the UK.
Brickies
Plumbers
Plasterers
Electrician's
Drs
Etc
So if it was a strict choice between a needed skill set vs a very nice to have culture then clearly it's going to go the way of specific need.
You said "need". You define it. I'd say you must inhabit a pretty bleak world if you think we dont "need" musicians though.A musician isn't a job "need" for the UK.
Brickies
Plumbers
Plasterers
Electrician's
Drs
Etc
So if it was a strict choice between a needed skill set vs a very nice to have culture then clearly it's going to go the way of specific need.
My opinion is that someone who is talented with a good work ethic, wanting to work and being actively sought after by everyone from schools and colledges to teach to tour and concert promoters for high paying work (established and highly respected international performer already) is an asset we should welcome.
Certainally moreso than lots of unskilled labour but thats another arguement.
hairyben said:
You said "need". You define it. I'd say you must inhabit a pretty bleak world if you think we dont "need" musicians though.
My opinion is that someone who is talented with a good work ethic, wanting to work and being actively sought after by everyone from schools and colledges to teach to tour and concert promoters for high paying work (established and highly respected international performer already) is an asset we should welcome.
Certainally moreso than lots of unskilled labour but thats another arguement.
Put it this way musicians do not need to be Uk passport holders to perform in the U.K. My opinion is that someone who is talented with a good work ethic, wanting to work and being actively sought after by everyone from schools and colledges to teach to tour and concert promoters for high paying work (established and highly respected international performer already) is an asset we should welcome.
Certainally moreso than lots of unskilled labour but thats another arguement.
All those roles I listed are skilled work - we need to build 1 million homes on the next 5-7 years we simply do not have the home grown skill currently to do that ditto doctors. Whereas we do have musicians.
Bleak is not having enough housing stock and people sleeping on the streets or a 3 bed house having three families living in it due to nowhere to live.
Also bleak is not having enough Doctors/surgeons to carry out operations - not nice to have but vital requirement.
don4l said:
Elroy Blue said:
Teflon Theresa. One of the most incompetent Home Secretarys ever. Despite everything she touched becoming a shambles, nothing ever stuck.
She's lucky her opposite number is Corbyn. Anyone with half an ounce of competence would take her to the cleaners.
I have a suspicion that as time passes you will come to like her.She's lucky her opposite number is Corbyn. Anyone with half an ounce of competence would take her to the cleaners.
She publicly declared herself as a Remainer, but then she appointed Liam Fox, David Davis and Ian Duncan-Smith to her cabinet. It would appear that she was probably a Leaver all along.
It looked to me like she was deliberately in the background, keeping her head, ready to pick up the pieces.
don4l said:
I have a suspicion that as time passes you will come to like her.
She publicly declared herself as a Remainer, but then she appointed Liam Fox, David Davis and Ian Duncan-Smith to her cabinet. It would appear that she was probably a Leaver all along.
I love all the brexiters on here claiming her as one of their own. She was completely against Brexit. There's no doubt about that at all. She publicly declared herself as a Remainer, but then she appointed Liam Fox, David Davis and Ian Duncan-Smith to her cabinet. It would appear that she was probably a Leaver all along.
I voted to leave and I'm under no illusion about her. She doesn't want to leave the EU. I'm not even convinced she's going to lead us to Brexit with any real conviction.
Elroy Blue said:
Teflon Theresa. One of the most incompetent Home Secretarys ever. Despite everything she touched becoming a shambles, nothing ever stuck.
She's lucky her opposite number is Corbyn. Anyone with half an ounce of competence would take her to the cleaners.
^This. She is vastly over rated... defeated a bunch of loons for the Con leadership and now has no real opposition to speak of. Her true colours will come out eventually.... an authoritarian who wants to take us back to circa 1950. She's lucky her opposite number is Corbyn. Anyone with half an ounce of competence would take her to the cleaners.
Her speech today basically announces that she was a closet Brexit voter who hedged her bets for political reason. Nothing wrong with having voted for Brexit but I suspect there will be a lot of her party and the country quite disappointed with her speech making it quite clear the single market is not an option and so on.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 2nd October 16:16
grumbledoak said:
It is more than a little ridiculous to judge her on one Australian's residency status, no matter how much you may like him.
She has said the right sort of things, but has yet to deliver them. Time will tell. Brexit the obvious 'biggie'.
To be fair I'm not - as I say she seems quite canny, certainally knew brexit was a sShe has said the right sort of things, but has yet to deliver them. Time will tell. Brexit the obvious 'biggie'.
tbomb she'd do well to avoid being splattered by and played it smartWelshbeef is making a thing about the necessity of musos in his dark little world but, without going into technicalities, the gripe is more the downright illegal/immoral/nasty way hes been treated by the home office. Its pretty bad stuff of moving goalposts, lies to cover incompetence, blatent refusal to carry out lawfull obligations and so on, and it annoys me because he's too damn nice to tear them the one they deserve. But I post it as a side issue. Or perhaps a glimpse of an evil totalitarian in the making, who knows?
basherX said:
That's a little hyperbolic isn't it Derek, "even for PH"? We really aren't victims at the hands of a distant elite, or at least we shouldn't be.
The future of me and mine, and you and yours, will depend on what happens in the negotiations. So I think there's no hyperbole. There are many ways a poor decision by the negotiators could cost us money, limit our options, and back us into a corner. You have criticised what you call a distant elite, but do you think we will be in the same position regarding GPD a couple of years after we leave?
My concern is that May is defined by her methods and choices in her last post. For instance, demands were made of the service which gave her the opportunity to suggest that the number of 'operational' officers had increased. So for her it was all image. The number of operational officers had plummeted. Again, she said that the budget cuts would end. Yet my force, and others, there have been massive cuts to this year's budgets.
History doesn't tell us only what happened, it describes what will most likely happen in the future. In other words she will go for the option which can be spun to her advantage.
Fewer police officer, less money is reality.
Perhaps I'm simple minded, but if you've done something for the right reasons, then telling the truth is the best way to go. Justify actions instead of picking the easiest option to spin. It's not as if she'd be hammered by the press.
But my real criticism is in her choice of negotiators. Closely followed by the Foreign Secretary, one of the great offices of state, being reduced to a laughing stock.
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