Theresa May

[B'stard Child]

tommunster10 said:

She did mention this will all go to a vote anyway in HP. So she can act all hard on this knowing full well it might just all get voted agaisnt and downgraded, she can lay blame at others whilst shouting about how hard she wanted to be..... I don't trust politicians...

Your own ones or ours?

[CaptainSlow]

tommunster10 said:

She did mention this will all go to a vote anyway in HP. So she can act all hard on this knowing full well it might just all get voted agaisnt and downgraded, she can lay blame at others whilst shouting about how hard she wanted to be..... I don't trust politicians...

You misunderstand what will happen if the deal is rejected, it doesn't get amended we move onto WTO.

[alfie2244]

Listening to her at Davos............she may have been a Remainer but she is certainly doing a good job of explaining why we are Brexiting, serving the people, build a global Britain, leaving the EU not Europe....if she is playing a game with leavers then she is doing it very well IMO.

[anonymous-user]

May criticises and points out a lack of trust in big business and executive pay. Lots of talk about fairer society and centrist politics.

Is she a bit left of centre for the right wingers here?

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

Listening to her at Davos............she may have been a Remainer but she is certainly doing a good job of explaining why we are Brexiting, serving the people, build a global Britain, leaving the EU not Europe....if she is playing a game with leavers then she is doing it very well IMO.

Shes the boss and stuck with a result she didn't want.

She either has to not take the job or put a brave face on it and hope for the best and try and get the most positive outcome.

[Northern Munkee]

CaptainSlow said:

tommunster10 said:

She did mention this will all go to a vote anyway in HP. So she can act all hard on this knowing full well it might just all get voted agaisnt and downgraded, she can lay blame at others whilst shouting about how hard she wanted to be..... I don't trust politicians...

You misunderstand what will happen if the deal is rejected, it doesn't get amended we move onto WTO.

I wondered about, but as I read somewhere yesterday, it'll be the deal she negotiates, or no deal and exit the EU on WTO terms. And if either the commons or lords want to amend that to deal or remain in the EU, she'll call a snap general election, to get a mandate, on the thinking that she has the electorate up her sleeve in so far there is only one party that can be taken seriously as a govt, and the 52% will line up behind her, be returned with a increased majority, and rams the deal through the lords or dissolves the lords. Of course 2 yrs is a very long time in politics, and if the negotiation is a clusterfk, or can be portrayed as one, or that she broke it she owns it, then that ace up the sleeve may no longer be there. Still Corbyn and Fallon and Sturgeon must be expected as still in situ and the calculation is they can be easily beaten.

[essayer]

The Conservatives currently have a 17% lead in the polls - has that ever been the case for a party in government ?

Yes yes, polls, what do they know etc

[Mark Benson]

Northern Munkee said:

CaptainSlow said:

tommunster10 said:

She did mention this will all go to a vote anyway in HP. So she can act all hard on this knowing full well it might just all get voted agaisnt and downgraded, she can lay blame at others whilst shouting about how hard she wanted to be..... I don't trust politicians...

You misunderstand what will happen if the deal is rejected, it doesn't get amended we move onto WTO.

I wondered about, but as I read somewhere yesterday, it'll be the deal she negotiates, or no deal and exit the EU on WTO terms. And if either the commons or lords want to amend that to deal or remain in the EU, she'll call a snap general election, to get a mandate, on the thinking that she has the electorate up her sleeve in so far there is only one party that can be taken seriously as a govt, and the 52% will line up behind her, be returned with a increased majority, and rams the deal through the lords or dissolves the lords. Of course 2 yrs is a very long time in politics, and if the negotiation is a clusterfk, or can be portrayed as one, or that she broke it she owns it, then that ace up the sleeve may no longer be there. Still Corbyn and Fallon and Sturgeon must be expected as still in situ and the calculation is they can be easily beaten.

She also has the fact that many of the MPs that are (or may be tempted to) trying to scupper Brexit are in strong Leave constituencies and won't be able to do much if there's a vote if they want to keep their job.

The Lords is a different matter, stuffed as it now is with low-grade peers, political appointees and the like. They're now just factions of the three party system and will undoubtedly be pro-Remain. She'll need to either use the Parliament Act combined with a ruthless PR machine to paint them as going against the will of the people, or simply move to abolish them and gain public support for doing so. Whatever she does, the challenge will come from the Lords I think (plus this 'anonymous' legal challenge from Blair & co.)

[FN2TypeR]

El stovey said:

May criticises and points out a lack of trust in big business and executive pay. Lots of talk about fairer society and centrist politics.

Is she a bit left of centre for the right wingers here?

She can talk about it - but what is she going to do about it? Platitudes at best, t'was ever thus, I doubt the powerfully built MDs among us are pissing their (costly) pants in fear just yet.

[johnxjsc1985]

definite change in language coming from the EU now. We also need to have a mechanism in place to allow us to Trade outside the EU because they will try to make this transition last for a decade if they can.

[Hosenbugler]

Mark Benson said:

Northern Munkee said:

CaptainSlow said:

tommunster10 said:

She did mention this will all go to a vote anyway in HP. So she can act all hard on this knowing full well it might just all get voted agaisnt and downgraded, she can lay blame at others whilst shouting about how hard she wanted to be..... I don't trust politicians...

You misunderstand what will happen if the deal is rejected, it doesn't get amended we move onto WTO.

I wondered about, but as I read somewhere yesterday, it'll be the deal she negotiates, or no deal and exit the EU on WTO terms. And if either the commons or lords want to amend that to deal or remain in the EU, she'll call a snap general election, to get a mandate, on the thinking that she has the electorate up her sleeve in so far there is only one party that can be taken seriously as a govt, and the 52% will line up behind her, be returned with a increased majority, and rams the deal through the lords or dissolves the lords. Of course 2 yrs is a very long time in politics, and if the negotiation is a clusterfk, or can be portrayed as one, or that she broke it she owns it, then that ace up the sleeve may no longer be there. Still Corbyn and Fallon and Sturgeon must be expected as still in situ and the calculation is they can be easily beaten.

She also has the fact that many of the MPs that are (or may be tempted to) trying to scupper Brexit are in strong Leave constituencies and won't be able to do much if there's a vote if they want to keep their job.

The Lords is a different matter, stuffed as it now is with low-grade peers, political appointees and the like. They're now just factions of the three party system and will undoubtedly be pro-Remain. She'll need to either use the Parliament Act combined with a ruthless PR machine to paint them as going against the will of the people, or simply move to abolish them and gain public support for doing so. Whatever she does, the challenge will come from the Lords I think (plus this 'anonymous' legal challenge from Blair & co.)

Had the referendum been a general election, Leave would have wone by a landslide . Of the parliamentary constituencies 404 voted leave with 246 remain. My maths tells me Leave constituencies outnumber remain by 158 . That me mates, is a lot!

As for the Lords, I don't beleive she'll mess around, she'll use the parliament act if they obfuscate , and wield the axe later, with great public satisfaction earned in doing so.

[Dr Jekyll]

johnxjsc1985 said:

definite change in language coming from the EU now. We also need to have a mechanism in place to allow us to Trade outside the EU because they will try to make this transition last for a decade if they can.

We have always had such a mechanism, we always will, and there is nothing the EU can do to stop it.

[AstonZagato]

I suspect that she is relishing a fight with the Lords.

Reform of the upper house has been always been difficult as there is no popular mandate to do so. If the Lords were to vote down Brexit, I think the backlash would be stong enough to allow May to implement whatever she wanted.

[whoami]

AstonZagato said:

I suspect that she is relishing a fight with the Lords.

Reform of the upper house has been always been difficult as there is no popular mandate to do so. If the Lords were to vote down Brexit, I think the backlash would be stong enough to allow May to implement whatever she wanted.

We can hope.

[Toaster]

Mark Benson said:

She also has the fact that many of the MPs that are (or may be tempted to) trying to scupper Brexit are in strong Leave constituencies and won't be able to do much if there's a vote if they want to keep their job.

The Lords is a different matter, stuffed as it now is with low-grade peers, political appointees and the like. They're now just factions of the three party system and will undoubtedly be pro-Remain. She'll need to either use the Parliament Act combined with a ruthless PR machine to paint them as going against the will of the people, or simply move to abolish them and gain public support for doing so. Whatever she does, the challenge will come from the Lords I think (plus this 'anonymous' legal challenge from Blair & co.)

The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!

17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie

"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.

So leaving Europe means...........

Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...

[FN2TypeR]

Toaster said:

The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!

17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie

"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.

So leaving Europe means...........

Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...

That's that then. A clear victory.

[Gogoplata]

Toaster said:

The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!

17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie

My god, not this again.

[Deptford Draylons]

Toaster said:

The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!

17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie

"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.

So leaving Europe means...........

Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...

What lie did we vote on ?

[richie99]

Toaster said:

The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!

17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie

"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.

So leaving Europe means...........

Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...

In fairness to De Gaulle, I don't think he objected to our joining because he hated us, although he did. He knew we wouldn't 'fit'. So it has been proven.

[anonymous-user]

FN2TypeR said:

Toaster said:

The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!

17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie

"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.

So leaving Europe means...........

Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...

That's that then. A clear victory.

It's not really.

Most referendums on major constitutional change in other countries, require a higher majority than our Brexit vote.

One of the great many mistakes Cameron made in running the referendum (complacency, not involving the EU in the campaign, not making the result water tight, lying about NHS savings) was to make it a simple majority vote,

A narrow victory in something as important as leaving the EU isn't good enough and I say that as someone that voted to leave. It's simply too poor a mandate for a major change.