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El stovey said:
FN2TypeR said:
Toaster said:
The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!
17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie
"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.
So leaving Europe means...........
Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...
That's that then. A clear victory.17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie
"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.
So leaving Europe means...........
Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...
Most referendums on major constitutional change in other countries, require a higher majority than our Brexit vote.
One of the great many mistakes Cameron made in running the referendum (complacency, not involving the EU in the campaign, not making the result water tight, lying about NHS savings) was to make it a simple majority vote,
A narrow victory in something as important as leaving the EU isn't good enough and I say that as someone that voted to leave. It's simply too poor a mandate for a major change.
El stovey said:
FN2TypeR said:
Toaster said:
The "will of the people" what hogwash its just a strap line like brexit means brexit !!
17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie
"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.
So leaving Europe means...........
Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...
That's that then. A clear victory.17,410,742 people voted to leave, 16,141,241 voted to remain, (4% margin) 12,949,258 didn't vote, 18,604470 cant vote. don't forget we were lied to.....so people voted on a lie
"Britain is open for business".........since when has it been closed most of our manufacturing has been sold or closed, our railways run by overseas companies an example is Abellio run the greater Anglia trains (dutch company just sold 40% to Mitsu), tolls operated by the french. BT now 10% owned by the Germans. Most of our goods are produced globally most notably in China.
So leaving Europe means...........
Interestingly the French did not want us to join way back in 1967 "De Gaulle says 'non' to Britain - again" http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/n...
Most referendums on major constitutional change in other countries, require a higher majority than our Brexit vote.
One of the great many mistakes Cameron made in running the referendum (complacency, not involving the EU in the campaign, not making the result water tight, lying about NHS savings) was to make it a simple majority vote,
A narrow victory in something as important as leaving the EU isn't good enough and I say that as someone that voted to leave. It's simply too poor a mandate for a major change.
The majority thing is nonsense anyway, there's a strong vote for the status quo where people don't have a preference or don't know how to vote, or just don't like change, so the real sentiment for Brexit was much higher than illustrated by the vote.
And it's higher now that the remain campaign lies have fallen to nothing, especially among older people who voted to protect their pension investments, lost the vote, then have seen their investments rise.
And it's higher now that the remain campaign lies have fallen to nothing, especially among older people who voted to protect their pension investments, lost the vote, then have seen their investments rise.
The guy who proposed the referendum was on the loosing side, the leave campaign won by the definition of winning created by the guy running the opposite campaign, peoples objections aren't based in reality. If we had voted to stay by the same margin there would be more weight to claims it wasn't fair as the winning side would have won by their own rules, here we have the winning side winning by the rules of the looser. What's clearer than that? It's not the playground we can't say "best of 3"!!!
MDMetal said:
The guy who proposed the referendum was on the loosing side, the leave campaign won by the definition of winning created by the guy running the opposite campaign, peoples objections aren't based in reality. If we had voted to stay by the same margin there would be more weight to claims it wasn't fair as the winning side would have won by their own rules, here we have the winning side winning by the rules of the looser. What's clearer than that? It's not the playground we can't say "best of 3"!!!
The argument isn't who won or lost its the tag line 'will of the people' as if it was all people sadly it's not therefore consideration should. E given to 48% of those who did vote to stay. Also the scots voted to stay and as part of the United Kingdom their vote is just as important.
Toaster said:
The argument isn't who won or lost its the tag line 'will of the people' as if it was all people sadly it's not therefore consideration should. E given to 48% of those who did vote to stay. Also the scots voted to stay and as part of the United Kingdom their vote is just as important.
Yiliterate said:
Toaster said:
Also the scots voted to stay and as part of the United Kingdom their vote is just as important.
Correct, every individual vote cast by someone Scottish carried exactly the same weight as any individual vote cast by anyone else in the UK...Toaster said:
paulrockliffe said:
especially among older people who voted to protect their pension investments, lost the vote, then have seen their investments rise.
Think you made that up protecting the older generations pensions wasn't part of the leave campaign Toaster said:
MDMetal said:
The guy who proposed the referendum was on the loosing side, the leave campaign won by the definition of winning created by the guy running the opposite campaign, peoples objections aren't based in reality. If we had voted to stay by the same margin there would be more weight to claims it wasn't fair as the winning side would have won by their own rules, here we have the winning side winning by the rules of the looser. What's clearer than that? It's not the playground we can't say "best of 3"!!!
The argument isn't who won or lost its the tag line 'will of the people' as if it was all people sadly it's not therefore consideration should. E given to 48% of those who did vote to stay. Also the scots voted to stay and as part of the United Kingdom their vote is just as important.
The phrase 'The will of the people' wasn't just coined for the referendum, it's been used for years as a simile for 'What people voted for'. Which in this case was to leave the EU, narrowly but clearly.
What consideration do we give to the losing voters in an election? You didn't get a majority but we'll let you win one in every three votes? Perhaps you'd like to be PM for a couple of months, to make up for losing?
B'stard Child said:
tommunster10 said:
She did mention this will all go to a vote anyway in HP. So she can act all hard on this knowing full well it might just all get voted agaisnt and downgraded, she can lay blame at others whilst shouting about how hard she wanted to be..... I don't trust politicians...
Your own ones or ours?Toaster said:
MDMetal said:
The guy who proposed the referendum was on the loosing side, the leave campaign won by the definition of winning created by the guy running the opposite campaign, peoples objections aren't based in reality. If we had voted to stay by the same margin there would be more weight to claims it wasn't fair as the winning side would have won by their own rules, here we have the winning side winning by the rules of the looser. What's clearer than that? It's not the playground we can't say "best of 3"!!!
The argument isn't who won or lost its the tag line 'will of the people' as if it was all people sadly it's not therefore consideration should. E given to 48% of those who did vote to stay. Also the scots voted to stay and as part of the United Kingdom their vote is just as important.
Mark Benson said:
Toaster said:
MDMetal said:
The guy who proposed the referendum was on the loosing side, the leave campaign won by the definition of winning created by the guy running the opposite campaign, peoples objections aren't based in reality. If we had voted to stay by the same margin there would be more weight to claims it wasn't fair as the winning side would have won by their own rules, here we have the winning side winning by the rules of the looser. What's clearer than that? It's not the playground we can't say "best of 3"!!!
The argument isn't who won or lost its the tag line 'will of the people' as if it was all people sadly it's not therefore consideration should. E given to 48% of those who did vote to stay. Also the scots voted to stay and as part of the United Kingdom their vote is just as important.
The phrase 'The will of the people' wasn't just coined for the referendum, it's been used for years as a simile for 'What people voted for'. Which in this case was to leave the EU, narrowly but clearly.
What consideration do we give to the losing voters in an election? You didn't get a majority but we'll let you win one in every three votes? Perhaps you'd like to be PM for a couple of months, to make up for losing?
'Will of the people', what a crock of s
t.What about the 'will of the people' for the decades we've been going headlong into further EU integration? Or does it only count when it's measured by a referendum?
Esseesse said:
^^^ This.
'Will of the people', what a crock of st.
What about the 'will of the people' for the decades we've been going headlong into further EU integration? Or does it only count when it's measured by a referendum?
If you really want to get into that you might want to think again. We went 'in' on a huge lie/scandalous incompetence by and from E. Heath amongst others. There has since been no referendum on leaving up to this one. Successive governments have lied, misled, obfuscated and backtracked ever since. Finally, the people have had enough of the vested interest cobblers from parties and fellow travellers on both sides. I could go on but it's been done a thousand times before, and by those with more skills than me. Finished, and without even one tiny lie, coarse word or insult. 'Will of the people', what a crock of s
t.What about the 'will of the people' for the decades we've been going headlong into further EU integration? Or does it only count when it's measured by a referendum?
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