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Jimboka said:
May has got the Conservatives in a real muddle & making our country look desperate & a laughing stock.
Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
I understand May is desperate for a trade deal but if she continues like this she'll make Britain look even more like America's lapdog than Blair did. Come on, it used to be the French who surrendered, but the UK is quickly taking their place.Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
ecurie said:
Jimboka said:
May has got the Conservatives in a real muddle & making our country look desperate & a laughing stock.
Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
I understand May is desperate for a trade deal but if she continues like this she'll make Britain look even more like America's lapdog than Blair did. Come on, it used to be the French who surrendered, but the UK is quickly taking their place.Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
ecurie said:
Jimboka said:
May has got the Conservatives in a real muddle & making our country look desperate & a laughing stock.
Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
I understand May is desperate for a trade deal but if she continues like this she'll make Britain look even more like America's lapdog than Blair did. Come on, it used to be the French who surrendered, but the UK is quickly taking their place.Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
ecurie said:
Jimboka said:
May has got the Conservatives in a real muddle & making our country look desperate & a laughing stock.
Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
I understand May is desperate for a trade deal but if she continues like this she'll make Britain look even more like America's lapdog than Blair did. Come on, it used to be the French who surrendered, but the UK is quickly taking their place.Holding Trumps hand like a love struck teenager . State visit offered in his first week. Roll forward a few days & her party openly criticise him. Self inflicted wounds & as dumb as the rude criticism from Bojo & co before he won.
Trump must be pretty confused by the populist furore from his new best friends party.
They lost about 340,000 lives at this city alone.
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ecurie said:
I understand May is desperate for a trade deal but if she continues like this she'll make Britain look even more like America's lapdog than Blair did. Come on, it used to be the French who surrendered, but the UK is quickly taking their place.
Why care more about the characterisation of the relationship by others rather than the actual benefits of the relationship; far from surrendering, we'd be winning in practical terms.andy_s said:
ecurie said:
I understand May is desperate for a trade deal but if she continues like this she'll make Britain look even more like America's lapdog than Blair did. Come on, it used to be the French who surrendered, but the UK is quickly taking their place.
Why care more about the characterisation of the relationship by others rather than the actual benefits of the relationship; far from surrendering, we'd be winning in practical terms.If Trump turns out to be the disaster,many other countries are expecting, maybe history won't be kind to her and the UK over this in the long run.
El stovey said:
It might end up all going wrong though for May, perhaps she's damaging the reputation of the UK by rushing to be first to validate him as a world leader and banging on about the special relationship.
If Trump turns out to be the disaster,many other countries are expecting, maybe history won't be kind to her and the UK over this in the long run.
Oh I think it's a risk & she may get a bit of egg on her face yet; these are strange times and someone had to go first I guess... I think it's a risk worth taking given our current situation though and anyway, we can just blame her and get another PM if the worst comes to the worst If Trump turns out to be the disaster,many other countries are expecting, maybe history won't be kind to her and the UK over this in the long run.
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
jsf said:
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
I am finding a new respect for the PM.
She is getting the job done.
Hats off.
Troubleatmill said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
I am finding a new respect for the PM.
She is getting the job done.
Hats off.
El stovey said:
Troubleatmill said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
I am finding a new respect for the PM.
She is getting the job done.
Hats off.
Sylvaforever said:
El stovey said:
Troubleatmill said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
I am finding a new respect for the PM.
She is getting the job done.
Hats off.
I'm simply saying that May (along with many other world leaders) has already been critical of Trump and seems to be in a bit too much of a hurry to ingratiate herself with him, I know she's been forced into having to make trade deals after Brexit but wouldn't it be better to sit back and wait for a few weeks or months?
He might turn out to be a great President or may actually be an absolutely terrible President , the whole Trump phenomenon is a bit remarkable and unpredictable and too early to tell how it will go in my view.
If he turns out to be the worst president in history (which is possible), that photo of them holding hands is going to be all she is remembered for.
Lets say Trump turns out to be a complete dick and is impeached Stovey.
What happens then is you get Pence as the President, who is Trump x 100.
If Pence gets the boot you then have to deal with the House leader, another Republican.
May went down a storm in the USA amongst the Republicans, it was like watching a conservative party conference on steroids.
What happens then is you get Pence as the President, who is Trump x 100.
If Pence gets the boot you then have to deal with the House leader, another Republican.
May went down a storm in the USA amongst the Republicans, it was like watching a conservative party conference on steroids.
jsf said:
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
"Validate him as a world leader"! Sorry stovey, but get your head out of your arse. You don't like Trump... So what. Democracy risks people getting people they don't like in power. The key thing is he was voted in by the people he is there to serve.
And I've asked this of others with no answer, but what has he actually done since 20th Jan that's an issue? Switch "Trump" for "Obama" and would we have the same degree of whining? Somehow I can't see it. Same with Brexit.
Murph7355 said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
"Validate him as a world leader"! Sorry stovey, but get your head out of your arse. You don't like Trump... So what. Democracy risks people getting people they don't like in power. The key thing is he was voted in by the people he is there to serve.
And I've asked this of others with no answer, but what has he actually done since 20th Jan that's an issue? Switch "Trump" for "Obama" and would we have the same degree of whining? Somehow I can't see it. Same with Brexit.
I'm merely saying that he's a unknown quantity and certainly unconventional, it's not beyond possibility that being the first in line to suck up to him, especially after her and many of her party have been so vociferous in their condemnation of him, might end up going badly.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 1st February 10:48
El stovey said:
Murph7355 said:
jsf said:
El stovey said:
validate him as a world leader
The American people validated him as a world leader when they elected him as President of the United States.It doesn't matter what we, or any other nation state does, that is the reality.
That means we have to deal with him if we wish to deal with the USA. That has been the case since WW2 irrespective of who is in the White House.
"Validate him as a world leader"! Sorry stovey, but get your head out of your arse. You don't like Trump... So what. Democracy risks people getting people they don't like in power. The key thing is he was voted in by the people he is there to serve.
And I've asked this of others with no answer, but what has he actually done since 20th Jan that's an issue? Switch "Trump" for "Obama" and would we have the same degree of whining? Somehow I can't see it. Same with Brexit.
I'm merely saying that he's a unknown quantity and certainly unconventional, it's not beyond possibility that being the first in line to suck up to him, especially after her and many of her party have been so vociferous in their condemnation of him, might end up going badly.
Edited by El stovey on Wednesday 1st February 10:48
El stovey said:
Where have I said I don't like Trump? I don't like or dislike him, I just find it interesting watching his presidency unfold. Do we have to all take sides for tribal with us or against us Internet fighting?
I'm merely saying that he's a unknown quantity and certainly unconventional, it's not beyond possibility that being the first in line to suck up to him, especially after her and many of her party have been so vociferous in their condemnation of him, might end up going badly.
The tone of the language you use seems some distance from objective. I'm merely saying that he's a unknown quantity and certainly unconventional, it's not beyond possibility that being the first in line to suck up to him, especially after her and many of her party have been so vociferous in their condemnation of him, might end up going badly.
Apologies if I have that wrong.
Same question applies though - objectively what has he done that should warrant a travel ban to here? And as we were invited over there just a week after his inauguration, why do we need to dither on reciprocating? What harm could come of it? (Other than the EU becoming ever more grumpy with us... Which is inevitable anyway).
Now, if the trade deal we are eventually offered is dog s
t, then by all means moan. But the best way to enter negotiations is with the intent to do something that works for both sides. Surely it's better to start of in as friendly a manner as you can as a result. (Compare and contrast with EU rhetoric towards us, in the main).
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