What a disaster the Tories are.
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don4l said:
SidewaysSi said:
MarshPhantom said:
don4l said:
SidewaysSi said:
glazbagun said:
SidewaysSi said:
May and her crack team are over in India building relations. Seems like the Indians will want to have easier access to visas so what will that do for immigration?
Well I am sure the British will get what they want and not have to give up anything.
Given that most immigration to the UK was already from non-EU countries, I think the rabid ranting about immigration being a reason for Brexit was a particular low point.Well I am sure the British will get what they want and not have to give up anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_populat...
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-popula...
Indians have integrated very well in the past.
SidewaysSi said:
don4l said:
SidewaysSi said:
MarshPhantom said:
don4l said:
SidewaysSi said:
glazbagun said:
SidewaysSi said:
May and her crack team are over in India building relations. Seems like the Indians will want to have easier access to visas so what will that do for immigration?
Well I am sure the British will get what they want and not have to give up anything.
Given that most immigration to the UK was already from non-EU countries, I think the rabid ranting about immigration being a reason for Brexit was a particular low point.Well I am sure the British will get what they want and not have to give up anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_populat...
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statistics-popula...
Indians have integrated very well in the past.
Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the t
t."we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 7th November 07:00
MarshPhantom said:
Do you not realise that was a big fat lie? Why aren't the brexiteers getting angry about stuff like this instead of the current situation?
Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the tt.
"we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Well it would make a change to see normal people rioting rather than the trustafarians ,soap dodgers, and leftwing scum!!!Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the t
t."we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 7th November 07:00
powerstroke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Do you not realise that was a big fat lie? Why aren't the brexiteers getting angry about stuff like this instead of the current situation?
Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the tt.
"we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Well it would make a change to see normal people rioting rather than the trustafarins ,soap dodgers, and leftwing scum!!!Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the t
t."we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 7th November 07:00
MarshPhantom said:
powerstroke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Do you not realise that was a big fat lie? Why aren't the brexiteers getting angry about stuff like this instead of the current situation?
Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the tt.
"we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Well it would make a change to see normal people rioting rather than the trustafarins ,soap dodgers, and leftwing scum!!!Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the t
t."we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 7th November 07:00
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
I don't think we are ever going to leave the EU at this rate as everyone is lining up to block it or at least insist on a 'soft' Brexit (i.e. no real change). The idiots have taken over.
As for May & the Tories..... this government is a slow motion car crash and far from being a safe pair of hands she seems to be morphing into the female Tory version of Gordon Brown. Unfortunately Labour and the Lib Dems have gone AWOL and are not holding them to account.
powerstroke said:
MarshPhantom said:
powerstroke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Do you not realise that was a big fat lie? Why aren't the brexiteers getting angry about stuff like this instead of the current situation?
Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the tt.
"we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Well it would make a change to see normal people rioting rather than the trustafarins ,soap dodgers, and leftwing scum!!!Farage was saying on Andrew Marr yesterday there would be rioting if the brexiteers didn't get their way, the t
t."we will see political anger the like of which we have never seen before".
When asked if he thought there'd be disturbance in the streets he said yes.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Monday 7th November 07:00
You can see it on the posts in here- if you don't agree with a leftie then you must be evil and put to death (sic)
VolvoT5 said:
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
I don't think we are ever going to leave the EU at this rate as everyone is lining up to block it or at least insist on a 'soft' Brexit (i.e. no real change). The idiots have taken over.
As for May & the Tories..... this government is a slow motion car crash and far from being a safe pair of hands she seems to be morphing into the female Tory version of Gordon Brown. Unfortunately Labour and the Lib Dems have gone AWOL and are not holding them to account.
So we will probably Brexit but have immigration that everyone didn't want.
SidewaysSi said:
VolvoT5 said:
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
I don't think we are ever going to leave the EU at this rate as everyone is lining up to block it or at least insist on a 'soft' Brexit (i.e. no real change). The idiots have taken over.
As for May & the Tories..... this government is a slow motion car crash and far from being a safe pair of hands she seems to be morphing into the female Tory version of Gordon Brown. Unfortunately Labour and the Lib Dems have gone AWOL and are not holding them to account.
So we will probably Brexit but have immigration that everyone didn't want.
irocfan said:
SKP555 said:
sidicks said:
My calculus professor at University was from Hungary - he integrated extremely well indeed.
Surely it should be easy enough to differentiate people like him from the undesirables? If joking then send the parrot my way.
SidewaysSi said:
Agree. The government really is pretty incompetent. I can't see May winning in the Supreme court.
So we will probably Brexit but have immigration that everyone didn't want.
The bit in bold is what I struggle with.So we will probably Brexit but have immigration that everyone didn't want.
In reality no one knows what everyone didn't, or did, want as the ballot only asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I think it's a fair assumption that immigration was quite high on many Brexiteers' list of reasons for voting to leave but there are so many permutations of what Brexit could look like that it was a ridiculous question in the first place.
Edited by PorkInsider on Monday 7th November 11:55
PorkInsider said:
The bit in bold is what I struggle with.
In reality no one knows what everyone didn't, or did, want as the ballot only asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I think it's a fair assumption that immigration was quite high on many Brexiteers' list of reasons for voting to leave but there are so many permutations of what Brexit could look like that it was a ridiculous question in the first place.
Immigration wasn't top of my list. Having people like Juncker and his band of corrupt merry men having any influence on this Country was my main gripe. Europe is becoming a Socialist Super state with Germany driving it forward and France hanging on to its coat tails. In reality no one knows what everyone didn't, or did, want as the ballot only asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I think it's a fair assumption that immigration was quite high on many Brexiteers' list of reasons for voting to leave but there are so many permutations of what Brexit could look like that it was a ridiculous question in the first place.
Edited by PorkInsider on Monday 7th November 11:55
PorkInsider said:
The bit in bold is what I struggle with.
In reality no one knows what everyone didn't, or did, want as the ballot only asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I think it's a fair assumption that immigration was quite high on many Brexiteers' list of reasons for voting to leave but there are so many permutations of what Brexit could look like that it was a ridiculous question in the first place.
I agree. Very worrying times politically, socially and economically and listening to Farage threatening civil unrest just adds to the sense that the country is in a parlous state. I reckon the government are terrified of a debate in the HoP because it will expose the fact that there is no plan, we are stuck, no trade deals with Europe or elsewhere without movement of people.In reality no one knows what everyone didn't, or did, want as the ballot only asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I think it's a fair assumption that immigration was quite high on many Brexiteers' list of reasons for voting to leave but there are so many permutations of what Brexit could look like that it was a ridiculous question in the first place.
Edited by PorkInsider on Monday 7th November 11:55
johnxjsc1985 said:
Immigration wasn't top of my list. Having people like Juncker and his band of corrupt merry men having any influence on this Country was my main gripe. Europe is becoming a Socialist Super state with Germany driving it forward and France hanging on to its coat tails.
Immigration was top of many people's list and no one would sensibly argue that there isn't corruption in the EU, but the fact is that corruption is rife in most, if not all, political elites and you will just replace one corrupt band with another. As for your comment about socialist super state, I think you will find that the intelligent opposition to the EU is opposed on the basis that it is in the grip of global corporations, about as far removed from a socialist super state (whatever that actually is) as you could get. Blue62 said:
PorkInsider said:
The bit in bold is what I struggle with.
In reality no one knows what everyone didn't, or did, want as the ballot only asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I think it's a fair assumption that immigration was quite high on many Brexiteers' list of reasons for voting to leave but there are so many permutations of what Brexit could look like that it was a ridiculous question in the first place.
I agree. Very worrying times politically, socially and economically and listening to Farage threatening civil unrest just adds to the sense that the country is in a parlous state. I reckon the government are terrified of a debate in the HoP because it will expose the fact that there is no plan, we are stuck, no trade deals with Europe or elsewhere without movement of people.In reality no one knows what everyone didn't, or did, want as the ballot only asked, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"
I think it's a fair assumption that immigration was quite high on many Brexiteers' list of reasons for voting to leave but there are so many permutations of what Brexit could look like that it was a ridiculous question in the first place.
Edited by PorkInsider on Monday 7th November 11:55
Article 50 has not been triggered yet - so there have been zero negotiations with the EU. Zero decisions made about trade or tariffs or freedom of movement. Yet there seem to be an awful lot of people who seem to think that negotiations have already been held and in fact final decisions have been made and they are privy to the outcome. It's very odd behaviour. Stranger still the people who think that the negotiation strategy should be argued in Parliament - did these same people advise GB on selling the gold too?
People would be well to simply wait until Article 50 has been triggered, UKGOV has held negotiations with the EU and then they can argue in the HoC as to whether Parliament is going to accept the terms or not.
Or you can just spend months and months working yourselves up into a state, over things that are pure speculation and that no one here has any actual knowledge about, in fact even the people in charge, here and in the EU can't answer because negotiations haven't even begun yet...
But looking to the future, any other trading partners are most likely to link freedom of movement with market access, it's the way of the world.
Mays visit to India:-
''Some things are clear and all too familiar. Trade and immigration are linked. If the UK wants better access to Indian markets, the government in Delhi wants a looser approach to UK work and student visas. This week saw Britain's visa rules for foreign visitors tightened.''
I guess Boris & co will be along soon to say it's all nonsense of course.
Mays visit to India:-
''Some things are clear and all too familiar. Trade and immigration are linked. If the UK wants better access to Indian markets, the government in Delhi wants a looser approach to UK work and student visas. This week saw Britain's visa rules for foreign visitors tightened.''
I guess Boris & co will be along soon to say it's all nonsense of course.
Jimboka said:
But looking to the future, any other trading partners are most likely to link freedom of movement with market access, it's the way of the world.
No it's not.The most recently signed trade deal, the EU-Canada deal, does not have freedom of movement.
The TTIP does not have freedom of movement.
NAFTA doesn't have freedom of movement.
The China-New Zealand trade agreement doesn't have freedom of movement.
jsf said:
Jimboka said:
But looking to the future, any other trading partners are most likely to link freedom of movement with market access, it's the way of the world.
No it's not.The most recently signed trade deal, the EU-Canada deal, does not have freedom of movement.
The TTIP does not have freedom of movement.
NAFTA doesn't have freedom of movement.
The China-New Zealand trade agreement doesn't have freedom of movement.
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