What a disaster the Tories are.
Discussion
Mark Benson said:
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
Mmmmm, the sweet, sweet, salty taste of head banging Remainiac tears. The idiots have taken over.
Remainiacs who still cling to every negative story that reaffirms their beliefs, even when it's the same scare-mongering conjecture they clung to pre-referendum.
And we haven't even properly left yet.
JawKnee said:
Mark Benson said:
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
Mmmmm, the sweet, sweet, salty taste of head banging Remainiac tears. The idiots have taken over.
Remainiacs who still cling to every negative story that reaffirms their beliefs, even when it's the same scare-mongering conjecture they clung to pre-referendum.
And we haven't even properly left yet.
JawKnee said:
The pound being trashed isn't scare mongering, it's happening. The projected size of our economy falling behind France isn't scare mongering, it's happening. An increase in hate crimes... you get the idea.
And we haven't even properly left yet.
Scaremongering! Once we have kicked out all the immigrants and closed the channel tunnel we'll all be fine. Should all be done in a few months.And we haven't even properly left yet.
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
We haven't left yet. The idiots see now fighting themselves, their party is as split as the country .The idiots have taken over.
I'm sure there will be a lot more twists & turns & hopefully the brexit liars will be disappointed with the outcome. I suspect the 350m extra to the NHS & reduced migration will be pie in the sky ...
As bad as the tories are (and i dont blame them in the slightest for brexit), fair play for having the balls to give a referendum and following through with the democratic will of the people even if it wasnt the result that they expected.
They arent perfect but they are still a damn sight more electable than the clueless cretins over in the labour camp, who need a good boot up the arse because we need some form of decent oposition government to keep the tories in check.
Oh and a bit of acceptance and optimism by the remain camp would be nice, rather than hoping the country goes tits up just to shout HAH! told you so.
Because lets face it, no one has a clue about how brexit negotiations are going to play out.
They arent perfect but they are still a damn sight more electable than the clueless cretins over in the labour camp, who need a good boot up the arse because we need some form of decent oposition government to keep the tories in check.
Oh and a bit of acceptance and optimism by the remain camp would be nice, rather than hoping the country goes tits up just to shout HAH! told you so.
Because lets face it, no one has a clue about how brexit negotiations are going to play out.
Edited by dazwalsh on Tuesday 11th October 14:26
Jimboka said:
We haven't left yet. The idiots see now fighting themselves, their party is as split as the country .
I'm sure there will be a lot more twists & turns & hopefully the brexit liars will be disappointed with the outcome. I suspect the 350m extra to the NHS & reduced migration will be pie in the sky ...
Yep they are a Party where the rebels are now in the majority, something is going to go ping!I'm sure there will be a lot more twists & turns & hopefully the brexit liars will be disappointed with the outcome. I suspect the 350m extra to the NHS & reduced migration will be pie in the sky ...
Jimboka said:
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
We haven't left yet. The idiots see now fighting themselves, their party is as split as the country .The idiots have taken over.
I'm sure there will be a lot more twists & turns & hopefully the brexit liars will be disappointed with the outcome. I suspect the 350m extra to the NHS & reduced migration will be pie in the sky ...
ThunderGuts said:
JawKnee said:
The pound being trashed isn't scare mongering, it's happening.
Of course you accept the flash crash wasn't due to Brexit don't you. That only happened because someone spilt their G&T on their robot.
The tears and moaning of Marsh,///ajd and Jawknee are probably best shown up in their true light by that other EU fanatic, Paddy Ashdown, when he said of the referendum “I will forgive no one who does not respect the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken. Whether it is a majority of 1% of 20%, when the British people have spoken you do what they command. Either you believe in democracy or you do not.”
When you are expecting to win and think it's a formality to put that final nail in the idea of giving the public a sayon the EU, such words are easy and marvelous grandstanding stuff. It's just a bit of a pisser when the public doesn't vote the way you shamelessly tried to scare to into.
Anyway, looks like such people have moved on from the early idea of voting again until we get the 'correct' result or just ignoring the referendum result and staying in anyway, to now insisting on voting on some aspects of Brexit to kinda keep us in and tied to the EU, while pretending Brexit has taken place and we aren't really EU members.
When you are expecting to win and think it's a formality to put that final nail in the idea of giving the public a sayon the EU, such words are easy and marvelous grandstanding stuff. It's just a bit of a pisser when the public doesn't vote the way you shamelessly tried to scare to into.
Anyway, looks like such people have moved on from the early idea of voting again until we get the 'correct' result or just ignoring the referendum result and staying in anyway, to now insisting on voting on some aspects of Brexit to kinda keep us in and tied to the EU, while pretending Brexit has taken place and we aren't really EU members.
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
I must admit I feel like this too, not that it makes a bit of difference to anything. The margin to leave the EU may have been a small one but it seems to have changed everything. Politics seems to have veered into the extremes and to be immeasurably coarsened. No doubt I will be laughed at by most of the posters here and they will sincerely enjoy my distress, but I genuinely do feel that my beloved country has been stolen and hijacked by cavemen. I now understand how my grandfather felt in the 1970s when he described the country as, "going to the dogs"; for him it was militant trades unionism, for me it is militant Brexiteers. To my shame I voted Conservative at the last election (and the previous one and the one before that etc. etc.) but I will not do so again.The idiots have taken over.
Of course Labour has shown the worst possible timing for its own crash into the extremist undergrowth. Under Corbyn, Labour are not a viable alternative to anything and their only usefulness is as a cautionary tale. It is a warning the Conservative party should heed. UKIP is the Tory party's 'Momentum'. By embracing a Hard/Closed Brexit and damaging the economy, moderate Tories like me will desert them. The Conservative Right may think this does not matter or may even consider it a good thing to lose the Tory Left - but it does matter since long-term the casting votes are found in the Centre ground and I don't think Brexit will change this.
Theresa May by setting out a Hard Brexit stall for her negotiations has closed down many of her options - which is why the Hard Right is so jubilant and so enthusiastic about her as leader. I feel this is at best inept and her inflexibility and aggressiveness towards opponents is reminiscent of Gordon Brown. Like Brown, I feel Theresa May is at her high water mark right at the start of her premiership, before the harsh realities of her situation manifest themselves. If she were to fight a General Election now, before the realities of the new-normal show themselves, I feel she would win it with a much improved majority. This is the period of 'phoney-war'; it will not last. The next two years will be one of reckoning. If the wheels fall off, then May's Government will unravel quickly. She has many enemies and seems hell-bent on creating even more.
Of course, if her Hard Brexit works - or if it is just a negotiating position for a more sensible exit - then history will be kind to her.
Heard on LBC someone saying it was too complicated a decision to let the public have a vote on. They were, however, happy to let us have a vote on it 30 years ago when we voted to join the EU.
As an aside, I've never called myself or felt "European". I've always thought of Europe as that land mass over the channel. Can't be the only one?
As an aside, I've never called myself or felt "European". I've always thought of Europe as that land mass over the channel. Can't be the only one?
JawKnee said:
Mark Benson said:
MarshPhantom said:
Their fault we are leaving Europe.
The idiots have taken over.
Mmmmm, the sweet, sweet, salty taste of head banging Remainiac tears. The idiots have taken over.
Remainiacs who still cling to every negative story that reaffirms their beliefs, even when it's the same scare-mongering conjecture they clung to pre-referendum.
And we haven't even properly left yet.
Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......
dbdb said:
I must admit I feel like this too, not that it makes a bit of difference to anything. The margin to leave the EU may have been a small one but it seems to have changed everything. Politics seems to have veered into the extremes and to be immeasurably coarsened. No doubt I will be laughed at by most of the posters here and they will sincerely enjoy my distress, but I genuinely do feel that my beloved country has been stolen and hijacked by cavemen. I now understand how my grandfather felt in the 1970s when he described the country as, "going to the dogs"; for him it was militant trades unionism, for me it is militant Brexiteers. To my shame I voted Conservative at the last election (and the previous one and the one before that etc. etc.) but I will not do so again.
Of course Labour has shown the worst possible timing for its own crash into the extremist undergrowth. Under Corbyn, Labour are not a viable alternative to anything and their only usefulness is as a cautionary tale. It is a warning the Conservative party should heed. UKIP is the Tory party's 'Momentum'. By embracing a Hard/Closed Brexit and damaging the economy, moderate Tories like me will desert them. The Conservative Right may think this does not matter or may even consider it a good thing to lose the Tory Left - but it does matter since long-term the casting votes are found in the Centre ground and I don't think Brexit will change this.
Theresa May by setting out a Hard Brexit stall for her negotiations has closed down many of her options - which is why the Hard Right is so jubilant and so enthusiastic about her as leader. I feel this is at best inept and her inflexibility and aggressiveness towards opponents is reminiscent of Gordon Brown. Like Brown, I feel Theresa May is at her high water mark right at the start of her premiership, before the harsh realities of her situation manifest themselves. If she were to fight a General Election now, before the realities of the new-normal show themselves, I feel she would win it with a much improved majority. This is the period of 'phoney-war'; it will not last. The next two years will be one of reckoning. If the wheels fall off, then May's Government will unravel quickly. She has many enemies and seems hell-bent on creating even more.
Of course, if her Hard Brexit works - or if it is just a negotiating position for a more sensible exit - then history will be kind to her.
interestingly enough when your grandfather complained about the country going to the dogs in the 70's we'd just agreed to sign up for the common market and then 2 years later agreed to stay in....Of course Labour has shown the worst possible timing for its own crash into the extremist undergrowth. Under Corbyn, Labour are not a viable alternative to anything and their only usefulness is as a cautionary tale. It is a warning the Conservative party should heed. UKIP is the Tory party's 'Momentum'. By embracing a Hard/Closed Brexit and damaging the economy, moderate Tories like me will desert them. The Conservative Right may think this does not matter or may even consider it a good thing to lose the Tory Left - but it does matter since long-term the casting votes are found in the Centre ground and I don't think Brexit will change this.
Theresa May by setting out a Hard Brexit stall for her negotiations has closed down many of her options - which is why the Hard Right is so jubilant and so enthusiastic about her as leader. I feel this is at best inept and her inflexibility and aggressiveness towards opponents is reminiscent of Gordon Brown. Like Brown, I feel Theresa May is at her high water mark right at the start of her premiership, before the harsh realities of her situation manifest themselves. If she were to fight a General Election now, before the realities of the new-normal show themselves, I feel she would win it with a much improved majority. This is the period of 'phoney-war'; it will not last. The next two years will be one of reckoning. If the wheels fall off, then May's Government will unravel quickly. She has many enemies and seems hell-bent on creating even more.
Of course, if her Hard Brexit works - or if it is just a negotiating position for a more sensible exit - then history will be kind to her.
WRT to your lament - I don't agree with you., but at least you aren't combative and argumentative about it
DavidJG said:
Me & my family? We're leaving the nasty little xenophobic nation the the UK has become (or has always been, but is now more open about). Just trying to decide exactly where to go... Canada, Australia, NZ are all looking good at present, but options within Europe also being actively considered......
Keep us updated.I expect you'll still be here in years to come.
ETA: some very left (yet living the Conservative 'lifestyle', funny that) friends said they were going to Canada after the result. Guess which country turned them down
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